Opening Keynote g0v Unconference 2014
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| 2017-08-19 14:33 – 14:34 | r7111 – r7112 | |
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謝謝大家。我昨晚和今早跟好多人聊過，錯過了昨天的會議真是很可惜，但我很高興今天能來到這裡。
- 在這個「非會議（Unconference）」精神的啟發下，我想來做個「非主題演講」。
+ 在這個「非會議（Unconference）」精神的啟發下，我想來做個「非主題演講（un-keynote）」。
我想談的是政治運動和軟體開發都會遇到的「規模」問題。會從三個方向來講：
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| 2017-02-17 23:30 – 23:37 | r7109 – r7110 | |
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模組化
- 開放源碼的專案通常會使用模組化的架 構。不是因為程式碼需要這樣設計，而是工程師們需要。當他們對 [必須由一個人] 維持整體的架構感到疲累時，就會趨向使用模組化的協作方式。
+ 開放源碼的專案通常會使用模組化的架構。不是因為程式碼需要這樣設計，而是工程師們需要。當他們對 [必須由一個人] 維持整體的架構感到疲累時，就會趨向使用模組化的協作方式。
大型的源碼也許（may）會需要模組化，但是大型的群眾協作一定（must）會需要模組化。
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圖片源自：http://www.minzhuzhongguo.org/english/ArtShow.aspx?AID=27468
- 最後一點：如果你和不讚成你的人交談——比如中年人這個群體——那不要問自己如何才能讓他們相信你所說的每一點，而是問自己是否能讓他們相信某一點。先試著在某件事情上達成一致，讓對方知道你不是瘋狂的激進份子，也就是先讓他們因為你說了一件明智的事情，而樂意聽你接著講。如果你能將一件事情講得有理有據——比如說收入不平等的問題——那就從這裡講起，先把它講好。
+ 最後一點：如果你和不贊成你的人交談——比如中年人這個群體——那不要問自己如何才能讓他們相信你所說的每一點，而是問自己是否能讓他們相信某一點。先試著在某件事情上達成一致，讓對方知道你不是瘋狂的激進份子，也就是先讓他們因為你說了一件明智的事情，而樂意聽你接著講。如果你能將一件事情講得有理有據——比如說收入不平等的問題——那就從這裡講起，先把它講好。
CL：最後一個問題……
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| 2017-01-06 19:58 | r7108 | |
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所以如果你正在進行軟體發展，希望讓人更容易下決定，你必須認真看待人們的情感面，不然就會變成把人看成機器一般。
- 我的朋友Marianne Manilov 曾經指出：純然的行動導向的運動有機會持續數年，但可以一瞬間就斷掉。運動能夠有足夠的時間來照顧到參與的彼此，是運動能夠持續的關鍵。
+ 我的朋友 Marianne Manilov 曾經指出：純然的行動導向的運動有機會持續數年，但可以一瞬間就斷掉。運動能夠有足夠的時間來照顧到參與的彼此，是運動能夠持續的關鍵。
而「照顧彼此（Taking care each other）」在美國是一個很基進的想法。專注於「聯結政治和照顧」這種模式的例子，有 Strike Debt、Occupy Sandy 等運動。（Intersection between politics and care-taking，西班牙人的概念為 'politica affectiva' - 愛與社會關係的政治之意）
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| 2015-09-02 04:31 | r7107 | |
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圖片源自：http://www.minzhuzhongguo.org/english/ArtShow.aspx?AID=27468
- 最後一點：如果你和不贊成你的人交談——比如中年人這個群體——那不要問自己如何才能讓他們相信你所說的每一點，而是問自己是否能讓他們相信某一點。先試著在某件事情上達成一致，讓對方知道你不是瘋狂的激進份子，也就是先讓他們因為你說了一件明智的事情，而樂意聽你接著講。如果你能將一件事情講得有理有據——比如說收入不平等的問題——那就從這裡講起，先把它講好。
+ 最後一點：如果你和不讚成你的人交談——比如中年人這個群體——那不要問自己如何才能讓他們相信你所說的每一點，而是問自己是否能讓他們相信某一點。先試著在某件事情上達成一致，讓對方知道你不是瘋狂的激進份子，也就是先讓他們因為你說了一件明智的事情，而樂意聽你接著講。如果你能將一件事情講得有理有據——比如說收入不平等的問題——那就從這裡講起，先把它講好。
CL：最後一個問題……
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| 2015-02-07 16:29 – 16:32 | r7104 – r7106 | |
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模組化
- 開放源碼的專案通常會使用模組化的架構。不是因為程式碼需要這樣設計，而是工程師們需要。當他們對 [必須由一個人] 維持整體的架構感到疲累時，就會趨向使用模組化的協作方式。
+ 開放源碼的專案通常會使用模組化的架 構。不是因為程式碼需要這樣設計，而是工程師們需要。當他們對 [必須由一個人] 維持整體的架構感到疲累時，就會趨向使用模組化的協作方式。
大型的源碼也許（may）會需要模組化，但是大型的群眾協作一定（must）會需要模組化。
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| 2014-12-28 03:08 | r7103 | |
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5 gets you to 10. 10 gets you to 45 (lines). The experience we had in high school, it’s correct — the more people a group have, the harder it is for people to join, because a group means everyone knows everyone, so N people requires N+1 connection.
- Brooks’s mythical man-month, observation of IBM’s projects. IBM always have delayed shipping schedules — not that anyone here has that problem — so IBM will add new people to “speed things up”, but Brooks observes it ALWAYS slows things down.
+ Brooks’s mythical man-month, observation of IBM’s projects. IBM always have delayed shi pping schedules — not that anyone here has that problem — so IBM will add new people to “speed things up”, but Brooks observes it ALWAYS slows things down.
So it’s Brook’s Law: Adding more people to a late project makes it later.
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| 2014-11-14 16:58 | r7102 | |
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*這圖上所畫的點代表著獨立個人，但他們可以選擇如何舉止。他們在進行協商時有著不同類型的文化預期，並不是一個模子刻出來的。所以這五人的組織，和另外五人的組織，可以是相當不同的。
- 我們 Loomio 這套軟體就是用來引導人們意識到密度的重要性，以及處理好個人需求與小組需求的關係。現在 Loomio 團隊已經有了 16 個人，但我們依然高效運作，因為我們在運作上下了功夫。我們發展規模，但也重視相互之間的需求，而非自高自大。
+ 我們 這套軟體就是用來引導人們意識到密度的重要性，以及處理好個人需求與小組需求的關係。現在 Loomio 團隊已經有了 16 個人，但我們依然高效運作，因為我們在運作上下了功夫。我們發展規模，但也重視相互之間的需求，而非自高自大。
Clay：這是一張簡化了的圖表。而在此文化是關鍵。模組化是關鍵的一步，也是我確信小組作業所必經的一步。然而我認為多元文化問題對我們美國運動者來說是個巨大的窘境，它讓自由派的人畏縮。在一個多元族群的群體中，共識的處理會更加困難。這對自由派人士來講真是最糟糕的新聞：一個團體的族群愈多樣化，獲得共識機率就愈低。
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| 2014-11-11 08:26 – 08:28 | r7085 – r7101 | |
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Let me start with the basic observation which I sketched out on the whiteboard also.
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Politics in participatory mode is the act of getting a group of people to come to an agreement. If two people have to agree, they have one agreement between them. If 3 people have to agree, they have to negotiate 3 agreements among the group. If 4 people have to agree, they have to negotiate 6 agreements between the pairs of people. ( 5 have 10 etc.)
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如果你曾經好奇，「為什麼人越多好像越難溝通合作？」，原因就在這裡，數學解釋的很清楚。
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我們再來看看白板上的圖，1
個人的團體，有 45 條連結。另外一個組成的可能方式是：有兩個 5 人的團體，中間有一條關係串聯兩個團體。
- 從分成兩個5人團體的圖來看，雖然建立了階層性，但分離了兩個複雜的毛人際線球，也降低了風險。
+ 從分成兩個5 人 團體的圖來看，雖然建立了階層性，但分離了兩個複雜的毛人際線球，也降低了風險。
在佔領佔領運動（佔領華爾街衍伸的全球佔領運動），世界各地有許多營地佔領現場曾這些現場統合集結，但。此我們如何增加橫跨全球營地之間的串連？
- 我們的目標是，每個個佔領現場需要2人小組x2，每個2人小組要認識其他2個佔領現場的2人小組。這是能夠維繫連結的最小配置，也是最小密度的配置。這就是串聯社會資本的範例。我們不需要彼此理解或是同意彼此任何事情，但我們需要溝通。
+ 我們的目標是，每個個佔領現場需要 2 人小組 ×2，每個 2 人小組要認識其他 2 個佔領現場的 2 人小組。這是能夠維繫連結的最小配置，也是最小密度的配置。這就是串聯社會資本的範例。我們不需要彼此理解或是同意彼此任何事情，但我們需要溝通。
如何轉換黏附社會資本的運動形式為串聯社會資本，也是一大設計挑戰。如果一大群人在一個房間，你可能得到的回應為：「這位是 Diane，這位是 Sue，那位是 Scott....」的介紹。40個人的話，就會演變成「Diane-產品總監」、「CxO」... 一堆頭銜和角色。
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在1980年代，有一個 Act Up! 小組出現，針對醫療機構和媒體進行HIV、AIDS的相關倡議行動。在短短10天之內，他們建立了驚人的行動，這也像在說「共識」的方式其實不錯。
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但10天之後，有些文件描述道當時情形：
*「我們需要執行委員會」、「運轉不受控制超出預期，最多兩週以內，我們成長的太快，以至於超出共識能解決的範疇。」這任何群組織、社群、群組而言，這是永持續面臨的難題，要是有軟體可以讓人們跨越這道鴻溝，那就太好了。
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問：
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GitHub 上也有議題（issue）。程式上的議題和政治議題的差別是，前者可以測試、也比較能聚焦。我贊同你剛剛說的。
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| 2014-11-11 08:11 – 08:13 | r7076 – r7084 | |
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Let me start with the basic observation which I sketched out on the whiteboard also.
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Politics in participatory mode is the act of getting a group of people to come to an agreement. If two people have to agree, they have one agreement between them. If 3 people have to agree, they have to negotiate 3 agreements among the group. If 4 people have to agree, they have to negotiate 6 agreements between the pairs of people. ( 5 have 10 etc.)
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政治，就是讓人們可以達成共識。如果兩個人要達成共識，需要一組共識。三個人，則需要三組。四個人，需要六組。五個人，就需要十組。以此類推。（任兩個人之間需要一組共識）
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| 2014-11-11 07:16 – 07:16 | r7074 – r7075 | |
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*我想說一說在 GitHub 上的爭論。在貢獻代碼的時候會有分歧。但與其直接說「不」，大家更願意說「要不這樣如何」。我覺得這是一個關鍵點，就是說這種「總是提出實際的替代方案」的特點。
- *這圖上所畫的點代表著獨立個人，但他們可以選擇如何舉止。他們在進行協商時有著不同類型的文化預期，並不是一個模子刻出來的。所以這五人的組織，和另外五人的組織，可以是相同不同的。
+ *這圖上所畫的點代表著獨立個人，但他們可以選擇如何舉止。他們在進行協商時有著不同類型的文化預期，並不是一個模子刻出來的。所以這五人的組織，和另外五人的組織，可以是相當不同的。
我們 Loomio 這套軟體就是用來引導人們意識到密度的重要性，以及處理好個人需求與小組需求的關係。現在 Loomio 團隊已經有了 16 個人，但我們依然高效運作，因為我們在運作上下了功夫。我們發展規模，但也重視相互之間的需求，而非自高自大。
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| 2014-11-10 18:21 – 18:42 | r6648 – r7073 | |
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I’d like to do an un-keynote in the spirit of this unconference.
- I want to talk about open-ended problems rather than hear some things we already know how to do. I want to talk in particular about the problems that both political movements, broadly have with scale and the problems that people developing software for those movements (also have scale).
+ I want to talk about open-ended problems rather than hear some things we already know how to do. I want to talk in particular about the problems that both political movements, broadly participatory political movements, have with scale and the problems that people developing software tools for those groups also have with scale. I'm gonna concentrate in particular on three problems.
*Modularity
- *Bridging capital vs Bonding capital
- *Consensus vs Decisiveness
+ *(Social problems of ) Bridging capital vs Bonding capital
+ *Consensus vs Decisiveness (as a way of running the group)
- Let’s start with a basic observation which I sketched on the whiteboard.
+ Let me start with the basic observation which I sketched out on the whiteboard also.
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- Politics is getting people to come to an agreement. If two people have to agree, there’s one agreement between. have 3, 4 have 6 pairs, 5 have 10 etc.
+ Politics in participatory mode is the act of getting a group of people to come to an agreement. If two people have to agree, they have one agreement between them. If 3 people have to agree, they have to negotiate 3 agreements among the group. If 4 people have to agree, they have to negotiate 6 agreements between the pairs of people. ( 5 have 10 etc.)
- If you ever wonder why it gets more difficult the more people there is, the reason is MATH.
+ If you ever wonder why it seems twice as hard to get a group of 4 people to agree what movie to go see as a group of 3 people, the reason is it is exactly mathematically twice as hard as there is twice as much negotiating to do in the group of 4 as the group of 3.
- 10 gets you 45 lines. The experience we had in high school, it’s correct — the more people a group have, the harder it is for people to join, because a group means everyone knows everyone, so N people requires N+1 connection.
+ 5 gets you to 10. 10 gets you to 45 (lines). The experience we had in high school, it’s correct — the more people a group have, the harder it is for people to join, because a group means everyone knows everyone, so N people requires N+1 connection.
Brooks’s mythical man-month, observation of IBM’s projects. IBM always have delayed shipping schedules — not that anyone here has that problem — so IBM will add new people to “speed things up”, but Brooks observes it ALWAYS slows things down.
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| 2014-11-10 18:20 | r6647 | |
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*中文翻譯
- 謝謝大家。我昨晚跟好多人聊過，錯過了昨天的會議真是很可惜，但我很高興今天能來到這裡。
+ 謝謝大家。我昨晚和今早跟好多人聊過，錯過了昨天的會議真是很可惜，但我很高興今天能來到這裡。
在這個「非會議（Unconference）」精神的啟發下，我想來做個「非主題演講」。
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| 2014-11-10 18:20 | r6646 | |
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I’d like to do an un-keynote in the spirit of this unconference.
- I want to talk about open-ended problems rather than hear some things we already know how to do. I want to talk in particular about the problems that both political movements, bradly have with scale and the problems that people developing software for those movements (also have scale).
+ I want to talk about open-ended problems rather than hear some things we already know how to do. I want to talk in particular about the problems that both political movements, broadly have with scale and the problems that people developing software for those movements (also have scale).
*Modularity
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| 2014-11-10 18:20 – 18:20 | r6641 – r6645 | |
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*中文翻譯
- 謝謝大家。我昨天晚上跟好多人聊過，錯過了昨天的會議真是很可惜，。
+ 謝謝大家。我昨晚跟好多人聊過，錯過了昨天的會議真是很可惜，但我很高興今天能來到這裡。
在這個「非會議（Unconference）」精神的啟發下，我想來做個「非主題演講」。
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| 2014-11-10 18:20 | r6640 | |
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I’d like to do an un-keynote in the spirit of this unconference.
- I want to talk about open-ended problems rather than hear some things we already know how to do. I want to talk in particular about the problems that both political movements, braadly have with scale and the problems that people developing software for those movements (also have scale).
+ I want to talk about open-ended problems rather than hear some things we already know how to do. I want to talk in particular about the problems that both political movements, bradly have with scale and the problems that people developing software for those movements (also have scale).
*Modularity
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| 2014-11-10 18:20 – 18:20 | r6636 – r6639 | |
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*中文翻譯
- 謝謝大家。我昨天晚上跟好多人聊過，錯過了昨天的會議真是很可惜。
+ 謝謝大家。我昨天晚上跟好多人聊過，錯過了昨天的會議真是很可惜，。
在這個「非會議（Unconference）」精神的啟發下，我想來做個「非主題演講」。
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| 2014-11-10 18:14 – 18:20 | r6498 – r6635 | |
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Clay:
- Thank you all. I talked to a bunch of people last night, I’m sorry to miss yesterday’s conf.
+ Thank you all. I talked to a bunch of people last night and this morning, but yesterday sounded like an amazing day. I’m sorry to have missed it, but I'm glad to be here now.
I’d like to do an un-keynote in the spirit of this unconference.
- I want to talk in particular the problem of both political movements have with scale and the problems that people developing software for those movements (also have scale).
+ I want to talk about open-ended problems rather than hear some things we already know how to do. I want to talk in particular about the problems that both political movements, braadly have with scale and the problems that people developing software for those movements (also have scale).
*Modularity
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| 2014-11-10 17:56 – 18:04 | r6448 – r6497 | |
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它是內建的模組化。我想 [政治/社會] 運動也應該專注在「如何整合自願者的貢獻 [成為集體的成果] 」。
- 第二個議題，政治運動必須考慮「串聯社會資本（bridging social capital）」與「黏附社會資本（bonding social capital）成本」。
+ 第二個議題，政治運動必須考慮「串聯社會資本（bridging social capital）」與「黏附社會資本（bonding social capital）」。
串聯社會資本與黏附社會資本
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小團體通常傾向由共識協調運作：每個人都能感受到參加會議的人，也都了解正在發生的事情。我們也在先前知道了，這種運作沒辦法擴展（規模/人數）。
- 這是人類條件的悲劇。人們可以彼此承諾，卻被擴展性給擊敗。
- 在1980年代，有一個 Act Up!小組出現，針對醫療機構和媒體進行HIV、AIDS的相關倡議行動。在短短10天之內，他們建立了驚人的行動，這也像在說「共識」的方式其實不錯。
+ 這是人類境況的悲劇。人們向彼此承諾，卻被擴展性給擊敗。
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+ 在1980年代，有一個 Act Up! 小組出現，針對醫療機構和媒體進行HIV、AIDS的相關倡議行動。在短短10天之內，他們建立了驚人的行動，這也像在說「共識」的方式其實不錯。
但10天之後，有些文件描述道當時情形：
*「我們需要執行委員會」、「運轉不受控制超出預期，最多兩週以內，我們成長的太快，以至於超出共識能解決的範疇。」這任何群組織、社群、群組而言，這是永持續面臨的難題，要是有軟體可以讓人們跨越這道鴻溝，那就太好了。
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45 年前，Internet 只有兩種程式，Telnet 和 FTP。這兩種程式的出現，讓科學家、研究者等等可以遠端連線進行存取資料的作業，但是幾年過去了，沒有任何事情發生，也沒有任何第三方的替代程式出現。
- 然而在 70 年代早期，Email 由 MIT 移植 (Ported) 過來後，Internet就起飛了 - 90天內佔75%的骨幹傳輸量。
+ 然而在 70 年代早期，Email 由 MIT 移植 (Ported) 過來後，Internet 就起飛了 - 90天內佔75%的骨幹傳輸量。
- 最顯著的狀況與程式碼和資料無關，但跟人息息相關。我們必須要跟人息息相關。每當有新東西出現時，我們都會高估程式碼與資料，但低估了人的重要(相關)性。
+ 最顯著的狀況與程式碼和資料無關，但跟人息息相關。我們必須要跟人息息相關。每當有新東西出現時，我們都會高估程式碼與資料，但低估了人的重要（相關）性。
所以如果你正在進行軟體發展，希望讓人更容易下決定，你必須認真看待人們的情感面，不然就會變成把人看成機器一般。
- 我的朋友Marianne Manilov曾經指出：純然的行動導向的運動有機會持續數年，但可以一瞬間就斷掉。運動能夠有足夠的時間來照顧到參與的彼此，是運動能夠持續的關鍵。
+ 我的朋友Marianne Manilov 曾經指出：純然的行動導向的運動有機會持續數年，但可以一瞬間就斷掉。運動能夠有足夠的時間來照顧到參與的彼此，是運動能夠持續的關鍵。
- 而「照顧彼此（Taking care each other）」在美國是一個很激進的想法。專注於「聯結政治和照顧」這種模式的例子，有 Strike Debt、Occupy Sandy 等運動。（Intersection between politics and care-taking，西班牙人的概念為 'politica affectiva' - 愛與社會關係的政治之意）
+ 而「照顧彼此（Taking care each other）」在美國是一個很基進的想法。專注於「聯結政治和照顧」這種模式的例子，有 Strike Debt、Occupy Sandy 等運動。（Intersection between politics and care-taking，西班牙人的概念為 'politica affectiva' - 愛與社會關係的政治之意）
- 關於 Unconference 的精神，以及為了創造一些進展而尋找方向，我想說可以從伊朗革命的進展看到，短期倡議目前發展的非常好，但能夠長期的分散型溝通與投注(運動)，仍然不足。
+ 關於 Unconference 的精神，以及為了創造一些進展而尋找方向，我想說可以從伊朗革命的進展看到，短期倡議目前發展的非常好，但能夠長期的分散型溝通與投注（運動），仍然不足。
密度 vs 擴展性，決定於：模組化、共識與決斷、聯繫資產和黏附與串聯社會資本。
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[有人想提問題嗎？
- [「的中文不好，對不起]」Clay 用中文說。
+ [「的中文不好，對不起]。」Clay 用中文說。
Rich 的提問：
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我們 Loomio 這套軟體就是用來引導人們意識到密度的重要性，以及處理好個人需求與小組需求的關係。現在 Loomio 團隊已經有了 16 個人，但我們依然高效運作，因為我們在運作上下了功夫。我們發展規模，但也重視相互之間的需求，而非自高自大。
- Clay：這是一張簡化了的圖表。而在此文化是關鍵。模組化是關鍵的一步，也是我確信小組作業所必經的一步。然而我認為多元文化問題對我們美國運動者來說是個巨大的窘境，它讓自由派的人畏縮。在一個種族多樣的群組中，共識的處理會更加困難。這對自由派人士來講真是最糟糕的新聞：一個團體的族群愈多樣化，獲得共識機率就愈低。
+ Clay：這是一張簡化了的圖表。而在此文化是關鍵。模組化是關鍵的一步，也是我確信小組作業所必經的一步。然而我認為多元文化問題對我們美國運動者來說是個巨大的窘境，它讓自由派的人畏縮。在一個多元族群的群體中，共識的處理會更加困難。這對自由派人士來講真是最糟糕的新聞：一個團體的族群愈多樣化，獲得共識機率就愈低。
- 那麼我們來探討這種多族群構成的團體。在這樣的團體中，我們需要「人為地」增加社會資本。同樣令人畏縮的是，軍隊和體育隊在處理種族整合的問題上竟然做得更好，因為它們有明確的目標以及可識別的敵人。要處理這問題很困難，但只要有可能，我們還是得做些什麼。
+ 那麼我們來探討這種多族群構成的團體。在這樣的團體中，我們需要「人為地」增加社會資本。同樣令人畏縮的是，軍隊和體育隊在處理族群整合的問題上竟然做得最好，因為它們有明確的目標以及可識別的敵人。要處理這問題很困難，但只要有可能，我們還是得做些什麼。
GitHub 很棒。我喜歡它們的「提交」（commits）系統——如果你不先「承諾」（commit）點什麼，那我就不用感興趣。
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第二點。千萬不要低估了可愛 :cat: 的作用！
- 「萌貓理論」對網際網路上的異見人士來說並非玩笑！這一理論普遍被認可為真——專門設計來給異議者使用的工具總會被忽視，但如果同樣的工具可以用來散佈 :cat2:，那就是一個極大的優勢了。
+ 「萌貓理論」對網際網路上的異見人士來說並非玩笑！這個理論普遍被認可為真——專門設計來給異議者使用的工具總會被主流忽視，但如果同樣的工具可以用來散佈 :cat2:，那就是一個極大的優勢了。
人類學家補充：中國大陸政治網路的街頭藝術。當陳光誠被捕後，人們戴上眼鏡來扮作陳光誠，並結合肯德基的藝術形象，這樣就讓審查機制更難以審查了——千萬不要低估了藝術的力量！[請參閱這本關於創意激進主義的書：http://beautifultrouble.org/] :dog: :dog2:
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圖片源自：http://www.minzhuzhongguo.org/english/ArtShow.aspx?AID=27468
- 最後一點：如果你和同不贊成你的人交談——比如中年人這一群體——那不要問自己如何才能讓他們相信你所說的每一點，而是問自己是否能讓他們相信某一點。先試著在某件事情上達成一致，讓對方知道你不是瘋狂的激進份子，也就是先讓他們因為你說了一件明智的事情，而樂意聽你接著者講。如果你能將一件事情講得的有理有據——比如說收入不平等的問題——那就從這裡講起，先把它講好。
+ 最後一點：如果你和不贊成你的人交談——比如中年人這個群體——那不要問自己如何才能讓他們相信你所說的每一點，而是問自己是否能讓他們相信某一點。先試著在某件事情上達成一致，讓對方知道你不是瘋狂的激進份子，也就是先讓他們因為你說了一件明智的事情，而樂意聽你接著講。如果你能將一件事情講得有理有據——比如說收入不平等的問題——那就從這裡講起，先把它講好。
CL：最後一個問題……
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I’d like to do an un-keynote in the spirit of this unconference.
- I want to talk in particular the problem of both political movements have with scale and the problems that people developing software for those movements.
+ I want to talk in particular the problem of both political movements have with scale and the problems that people developing software for those movements (also have scale).
*Modularity
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*Consensus vs Decisiveness
- Let’s start with a basic observation as I sketched on the whiteboard.
+ Let’s start with a basic observation which I sketched on the whiteboard.
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- Politics is getting people to come to an agreement. If two people have to agree, there’s one agreement. 3 people have 3, 4 have 6 pairs, 5 have 10 etc.
+ Politics is getting people to come to an agreement. If two people have to agree, there’s one agreement between. have 3, 4 have 6 pairs, 5 have 10 etc.
If you ever wonder why it gets more difficult the more people there is, the reason is MATH.
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The way we put it in NYU is that scale defeats density and vice versa. You can’t have a tight-knit large group. 6 people goes to dinner, but you can’t have intimate conversation with 60 people. It’s not about people liking each other or not.
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+ Density defeat scale, scale defeat density.
Even worse, that’s true for all imagined densities. You might say fine, “everyone knows half of the people in this room”. Even that density cannot be maintained for scale. For density >0, there is a moderately sized group where it destroys that density.
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謝謝大家。我昨天晚上跟好多人聊過，錯過了昨天的會議真是很可惜。
- 在這個「非會議」精神的啟發下，我想來做個「非主題演講」。
+ 在這個「非會議（Unconference）」精神的啟發下，我想來做個「非主題演講」。
我想談的是政治運動和軟體開發都會遇到的「規模」問題。會從三個方向來講：
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我的朋友Marianne Manilov曾經指出：純然的行動導向的運動有機會持續數年，但可以一瞬間就斷掉。運動能夠有足夠的時間來照顧到參與的彼此，是運動能夠持續的關鍵。
- 而「照顧彼此（Taking care each other）」在美國是一個很基進的想法。專注於「聯結政治和照顧」這種模式的例子，有 Strike Debt、Occupy Sandy 等運動。（Intersection between politics and care-taking，西班牙人的概念為 'politica affectiva' - 愛與社會關係的政治之意）
+ 而「照顧彼此（Taking care each other）」在美國是一個很激進的想法。專注於「聯結政治和照顧」這種模式的例子，有 Strike Debt、Occupy Sandy 等運動。（Intersection between politics and care-taking，西班牙人的概念為 'politica affectiva' - 愛與社會關係的政治之意）
關於 Unconference 的精神，以及為了創造一些進展而尋找方向，我想說可以從伊朗革命的進展看到，短期倡議目前發展的非常好，但能夠長期的分散型溝通與投注(運動)，仍然不足。
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如果運動要一直持續下去，請不要忽視付出努力的人們的需求——無論是撰寫代碼的程式設計師還是佔領運動的參與者——請分出時間來相互關照。
- 謝謝各位！！（掌聲）[有人想提問題嗎？
+ 謝謝各位！！（掌聲）
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+ (Q&A)
+ [有人想提問題嗎？
[「的中文不好，對不起]」Clay 用中文說。
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圖片源自：http://www.minzhuzhongguo.org/english/ArtShow.aspx?AID=27468
- 最後一點：如果你同不贊成你的人交談——比如中年人這一群體——那不要問自己如何才能讓他們相信你所說的每一點，而是問自己是否能讓他們相信某一點。先試著在某件事情上達成一致，讓對方知道你不是瘋狂的激進份子，也就是先讓他們因為你說了一件明智的事情，而樂意聽你接者講。如果你能將一件事情講的有理有據——比如說收 入不平等的問題——那就從這裡講起，先把它講好。
+ 最後一點：如果你和同不贊成你的人交談——比如中年人這一群體——那不要問自己如何才能讓他們相信你所說的每一點，而是問自己是否能讓他們相信某一點。先試著在某件事情上達成一致，讓對方知道你不是瘋狂的激進份子，也就是先讓他們因為你說了一件明智的事情，而樂意聽你接著者講。如果你能將一件事情講得的有理有據——比如說收入不平等的問題——那就從這裡講起，先把它講好。
CL：最後一個問題……
問：您認可政府應該以模組化的形式作業，而非現今這般的以層級系統的形式嗎？政府應不應該鼓勵公民在細小的方面參與管理呢？
+
答：至少在民主政府的運作邏輯上來探討，任何形式的公民參與都會增加社會資本的投入。一次又一次地，當人們研究災害的時候，會發現在颶風面前（比如），人們是否互信的影響最大。並不是說政府和警報無用——它們的確很重要——但更攸關的事情卻是人們是否認識並信任對方。在這種時候，任何程度的參與，其中都是有價值的。
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*Video record: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9Qbasb-mow
- *現場口譯地下電台: https://soundcloud.com/yhsiang/g0v-summit-unconf-underground-radio
+ *現場口譯: (待補)
+ *開場前口譯地下電台: https://soundcloud.com/yhsiang/g0v-summit-unconf-underground-radio
*Photos 片紀錄網址 (photos url)
↓文字轉播、線上討論↓
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*「我們需要執行委員會」、「運轉不受控制超出預期，最多兩週以內，我們成長的太快，以至於超出共識能解決的範疇。」這任何群組織、社群、群組而言，這是永持續面臨的難題，要是有軟體可以讓人們跨越這道鴻溝，那就太好了。
- 避免錯誤，尤其是人們著力於政治性的資料或程式碼時。
+ 要避免錯誤，尤其是人們著力於政治性的資料或程式碼時。
45 年前，Internet 只有兩種程式，Telnet 和 FTP。這兩種程式的出現，讓科學家、研究者等等可以遠端連線進行存取資料的作業，但是幾年過去了，沒有任何事情發生，也沒有任何第三方的替代程式出現。
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More info: g0v summit 2014 hackfoldr
More info: g0v summit unconf 2014 hackfoldr
- 現場直播網址 (live url)、錄
- *Video record: ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9Qbasb-mow)
- *現場口譯地下電台 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9Qbasb-mow)
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+ *Video record: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9Qbasb-mow
+ *現場口譯地下電台: https://soundcloud.com/yhsiang/g0v-summit-unconf-underground-radio
*Photos 片紀錄網址 (photos url)
↓文字轉播、線上討論↓
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To avoid mistake: Especially with people working on data and code for politics.
- 45 years ago. Internet only had two programs, UTELNETand FTP.
+ 45 years ago. Internet only had two programs, UTelnetand FTP.
It would be great to get more eople — scientist, researchers, remote access to data — fbut or years, nothing happens — there’s no third-party programs.
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*中文翻譯
- 謝謝大家。我昨天晚上跟好多人聊過，很抱歉錯過昨天的會議。
+ 謝謝大家。我昨天晚上跟好多人聊過，錯過了昨天的會議真是很可惜。
- 我想依循這場 unconference 的精神來一場 un-keynote。
+ 在這個「非會議」精神的啟發下，我想來做個「非主題演講」。
我想談的是政治運動和軟體開發都會遇到的「規模」問題。會從三個方向來講：
*模組化（Modularity）
- *串聯（bridging）與黏附（bonding）社會資本（social capital）
+ *串聯（Bridging）與黏附（Bonding）社會資本（social capital）
*共識（Consensus）與決斷（Decisiveness）
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如果你是在挖水溝，那麼規模的增加是線性的。但是，當合作的複雜度越高（需要越多溝通、合作、協調），增加規模就越困難。
- 我們在 紐約大學（NYU） 的理論是這樣（註：講者是 NYU 的教授）：「規模」會降低「密度」（Scale defeats density），反之亦然。你沒辦法有一個很大的團體，然後每個人又彼此之間非常熟識。6 個人一起晚餐，彼此之間可以有很熱烈的談話，但你不可能和 60 個人一起晚餐，然後每個人彼此之間都充分談話。這和人們喜不喜歡彼此無關。
+ 我們在紐約大學（NYU） 的理論是這樣（註：講者是 NYU 的教授）：「規模」會降低「密度」（Scale defeats density），反之亦然。你沒辦法有一個很大的團體，然後每個人又彼此之間非常熟識。6 個人一起晚餐，彼此之間可以有很熱烈的談話，但你不可能和 60 個人一起晚餐，然後每個人彼此之間都充分談話。這和人們喜不喜歡彼此無關。
更糟的是，這對所有想像中的密度都是成立的。你或許可以說，好，那每個人都認識房間裡一半的人。即使是像這樣想像中的密度，在規模變大時，也會變得難以維持。只要密度 >
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我們的目標是，每個個佔領現場需要2人小組x2，每個2人小組要認識其他2個佔領現場的2人小組。這是能夠維繫連結的最小配置，也是最小密度的配置。這就是串聯社會資本的範例。我們不需要彼此理解或是同意彼此任何事情，但我們需要溝通。
- 如何轉換黏附社會資本的運動形式為串聯社會資本，也是一大設計挑戰。如果一大群人在一個房間，你可能得到的回應為：「這位是Diane，這位是Sue，那位是Scott....」的介紹。40個人的話，就會演變成「Diane-產品總監」、「CxO」... 一堆抬頭和角色。
+ 如何轉換黏附社會資本的運動形式為串聯社會資本，也是一大設計挑戰。如果一大群人在一個房間，你可能得到的回應為：「這位是 Diane，這位是 Sue，那位是 Scott....」的介紹。40個人的話，就會演變成「Diane-產品總監」、「CxO」... 一堆頭銜和角色。
共識與決斷的張力
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避免錯誤，尤其是人們著力於政治性的資料或程式碼時。
- 45年前，Internet只有兩種程式，TELNET和FTP。這兩種程式的出現，讓科學家、研究者等等可以遠端連線進行存取資料的作業，但是幾年過去了，沒有任何事情發生，也沒有任何第三方的替代程式出現。
- 然而在70年代早期，Email 由 MIT 移植 (Ported) 過來後，Internet就起飛了 - 90天內佔75%的骨幹傳輸量。
+ 45 年前，Internet 只有兩種程式，Telnet 和 FTP。這兩種程式的出現，讓科學家、研究者等等可以遠端連線進行存取資料的作業，但是幾年過去了，沒有任何事情發生，也沒有任何第三方的替代程式出現。
+ 然而在 70 年代早期，Email 由 MIT 移植 (Ported) 過來後，Internet就起飛了 - 90天內佔75%的骨幹傳輸量。
最顯著的狀況與程式碼和資料無關，但跟人息息相關。我們必須要跟人息息相關。每當有新東西出現時，我們都會高估程式碼與資料，但低估了人的重要(相關)性。
所以如果你正在進行軟體發展，希望讓人更容易下決定，你必須認真看待人們的情感面，不然就會變成把人看成機器一般。
+
我的朋友Marianne Manilov曾經指出：純然的行動導向的運動有機會持續數年，但可以一瞬間就斷掉。運動能夠有足夠的時間來照顧到參與的彼此，是運動能夠持續的關鍵。
- 而「照顧彼此（Taking care each other）」在美國是一個基礎想法。專注於「聯結政治和照顧」這種模式，Strike Debt、Occupy Sandy 等倡議也是因此成功的例子之一。（Intersection between politics and care-taking西班牙人的概念為 'politica affectiva' - 愛與社會關係的政治之意）
+ 而「照顧彼此（Taking care each other）」在美國是一個很基進的想法。專注於「聯結政治和照顧」這種模式的例子，有 Strike Debt、Occupy Sandy 等運動。（Intersection between politics and care-taking，西班牙人的概念為 'politica affectiva' - 愛與社會關係的政治之意）
- 關於 Unconference的精神，以及為了創造一些進展而尋找方向，我想說可以從伊朗革命的進展看到，短期倡議目前發展的非常好，但能夠長期的分散型溝通與投注(運動)，仍然不足。
+ 關於 Unconference 的精神，以及為了創造一些進展而尋找方向，我想說可以從伊朗革命的進展看到，短期倡議目前發展的非常好，但能夠長期的分散型溝通與投注(運動)，仍然不足。
密度 vs 擴展性，決定於：模組化、共識與決斷、聯繫資產和黏附與串聯社會資本。
- 如果運動要一直持續下去，不要忽視任何做事的成員，無論從寫 Code 到佔領，只要任何人願意付出時間、付諸實踐於照顧彼此。
+ 如果運動要一直持續下去，請不要忽視付出努力的人們的需求——無論是撰寫代碼的程式設計師還是佔領運動的參與者——請分出時間來相互關照。
- 謝謝各位！！（掌聲）[ny questions for the speaker?
- [我的中文不好，對不起] s（ays Clay
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+ 謝謝各位！！（掌聲）[有人想提問題嗎？
+ [「的中文不好，對不起]」Clay 用中文說。
Rich 的提問：
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我們 Loomio 這套軟體就是用來引導人們意識到密度的重要性，以及處理好個人需求與小組需求的關係。現在 Loomio 團隊已經有了 16 個人，但我們依然高效運作，因為我們在運作上下了功夫。我們發展規模，但也重視相互之間的需求，而非自高自大。
- Clay: 這是一張簡化了的圖表。而在此文化是關鍵。模組化是關鍵的一步，也是我確信小組作業所必經的一步。然而我認為多元文化問題對我們美國運動者來說是個巨大的窘境，它讓自由派的人畏縮。在一個種族多樣的群組中，共識的處理會更加困難。這對自由派人士來講真是最糟糕的新聞：一個團體的族群愈多樣化，獲得共識機率就愈低。
+ Clay：這是一張簡化了的圖表。而在此文化是關鍵。模組化是關鍵的一步，也是我確信小組作業所必經的一步。然而我認為多元文化問題對我們美國運動者來說是個巨大的窘境，它讓自由派的人畏縮。在一個種族多樣的群組中，共識的處理會更加困難。這對自由派人士來講真是最糟糕的新聞：一個團體的族群愈多樣化，獲得共識機率就愈低。
那麼我們來探討這種多族群構成的團體。在這樣的團體中，我們需要「人為地」增加社會資本。同樣令人畏縮的是，軍隊和體育隊在處理種族整合的問題上竟然做得更好，因為它們有明確的目標以及可識別的敵人。要處理這問題很困難，但只要有可能，我們還是得做些什麼。
- GitHub 很棒。我喜歡它們的「提交」（commits）制度——如果你不先「承諾」（commit）點什麼，那我就不會感興趣。
+ GitHub 很棒。我喜歡它們的「提交」（commits）系統——如果你不先「承諾」（commit）點什麼，那我就不用感興趣。
問：
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如果你將注意力集中於把媒體作為一種傳遞資訊的方式上，那你就會陷進大部分都為你的對手所控制的領域裡。所以你需要做的是用情感進行交流。
- [[Tammy 將這段話回翻成國語給 Billy]]
+ [[之廷將這段話回翻成國語給雨蒼]]
第二點。千萬不要低估了可愛 :cat: 的作用！
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圖片源自：http://www.minzhuzhongguo.org/english/ArtShow.aspx?AID=27468
- 最後一點：如果你同不贊成你的人交談——比如中年人這一群體——那不要問自己如何才能讓他們相信你所說的每一點，而是問自己是否能讓他們相信某一點。先試著在某件事情上達成一致，讓對方知道你不是瘋子，也就是先讓他們因為你說了一件明智的事情，而樂意聽你接者講。如果你能將一件事情講的有理有據——比如說收 入不平等的問題——那就從這裡講起，先把它講好。
+ 最後一點：如果你同不贊成你的人交談——比如中年人這一群體——那不要問自己如何才能讓他們相信你所說的每一點，而是問自己是否能讓他們相信某一點。先試著在某件事情上達成一致，讓對方知道你不是瘋狂的激進份子，也就是先讓他們因為你說了一件明智的事情，而樂意聽你接者講。如果你能將一件事情講的有理有據——比如說收 入不平等的問題——那就從這裡講起，先把它講好。
- CL: 最後一個問題……
+ CL：最後一個問題……
- 問：您認可政府應該以模組化的形式作業，而非現今這般的以等級系統的形式嗎？政府應不應該鼓勵公民在細小的方面參與管理呢？
- 答：至少在民主政府的層面上來探討，任何形式的公民參與都會增加社會資本的投入。一次又一次地，當人們研究災害的時候，會發現在颶風面前（比如），人們是否互信的影響最大。並不是說政府和警報無用——它們的確很重要——但更攸關的事情卻是人們是否認識並信任對方。在這種時候，任何程度的參與，其中都是有價值的。
+ 問：您認可政府應該以模組化的形式作業，而非現今這般的以層級系統的形式嗎？政府應不應該鼓勵公民在細小的方面參與管理呢？
+ 答：至少在民主政府的運作邏輯上來探討，任何形式的公民參與都會增加社會資本的投入。一次又一次地，當人們研究災害的時候，會發現在颶風面前（比如），人們是否互信的影響最大。並不是說政府和警報無用——它們的確很重要——但更攸關的事情卻是人們是否認識並信任對方。在這種時候，任何程度的參與，其中都是有價值的。
- 「我明白中文裡『關係』的概念，並且這很有用」，Clay 說。
+ 「我明白中文裡『關係』的概念，這個概念就是重點」，Clay 說。
- 對於前一半的問題：請不要以為模組化就必定意味著去等級化，或者反之亦然。等級制度是一種工具。只有在為了更大的目標而服務時，我們才需要破除它。我認為模組化是一個很好的目標，且顯而易見地在擴張規模的時候模組化更為可行——真正的問題在於我們應該如何善用這股力量——像冰島的全民制憲，後來就被當權者撤回了。所以問題與工具無關，問題在於，我們能否找到一個國家，或至少是一個城市，來進行試驗。
+ 對於前一半的問題：請不要以為模組化就必定意味著去層級化，或者反之亦然。層級制度是一種工具。只有在為了更大的目標而服務時，我們才需要破除它。我認為模組化是一個很好的目標，且顯而易見地在擴張規模的時候模組化更為可行——真正的問題在於我們應該如何善用這股力量——像冰島的全民制憲，後來就被當權者撤回了。所以問題與工具無關，問題在於，我們能否找到一個國家，或至少是一個城市，來進行試驗。
- CL：我想用 Clay 的一段話來結束這段開場。「黑客松的主要產物，並不是會動的程式，而是參與者之間發展出的人際關係。」
+ CL：我想用 Clay 的一段話來總結這段開場：「黑客松的主要產物，並不是會動的程式，而是我們共同建立起的人際關係。」
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*這圖上所畫的點代表著獨立個人，但他們可以選擇如何舉止。他們在進行協商時有著不同類型的文化預期，並不是一個模子刻出來的。所以這五人的組織，和另外五人的組織，可以是相同不同的。
- 我們 Loomio 這套軟體就是用來引導人們意識到密度的重要性，以及處理好個人需求與小組需求的關係。現在 Loomio 團隊已經有了 16 個人，但我們依然高效運作，因為我們在運作上下了功夫我們發展規模，但也重視相互之間的需求，而非自高自大。
+ 我們 Loomio 這套軟體就是用來引導人們意識到密度的重要性，以及處理好個人需求與小組需求的關係。現在 Loomio 團隊已經有了 16 個人，但我們依然高效運作，因為我們在運作上下了功夫。我們發展規模，但也重視相互之間的需求，而非自高自大。
- Clay: 這是一張簡化了的圖表。而在此文化是關鍵。模塊化是關鍵的一步，也是我確信小組作業所必經的一步。然而我認為文化問題對我們美國人的各種運動來說是個巨大 的窘境，它使每一個自由人畏縮。在一個種族多樣的小組中這一點的處理會更加困難。IT 行業對我們來講就如同最糟糕的新聞。一個社群如果多樣化，那麼其獲得一致性的率就會降低。
- 那麼我們來探討這種多民族構成的小組。在這種擁有多民族文化背景的小組中，我們需要「人為地」增加社會資本。同樣令人畏縮的是，軍隊和體育隊在處理種族整合的問題上做得更好，因為它們有明確的目標以及可辨別的敵人。這很困難，但若可能的話，我們或許會需要撿起一些什麼來。
- GitHub 很棒。我喜歡它們「貢獻」這個叫法——如果你不「貢獻」點什麼，那我就不會感興趣。
+ Clay: 這是一張簡化了的圖表。而在此文化是關鍵。模組化是關鍵的一步，也是我確信小組作業所必經的一步。然而我認為多元文化問題對我們美國運動者來說是個巨大的窘境，它讓自由派的人畏縮。在一個種族多樣的群組中，共識的處理會更加困難。這對自由派人士來講真是最糟糕的新聞：一個團體的族群愈多樣化，獲得共識機率就愈低。
+
+ 那麼我們來探討這種多族群構成的團體。在這樣的團體中，我們需要「人為地」增加社會資本。同樣令人畏縮的是，軍隊和體育隊在處理種族整合的問題上竟然做得更好，因為它們有明確的目標以及可識別的敵人。要處理這問題很困難，但只要有可能，我們還是得做些什麼。
+
+ GitHub 很棒。我喜歡它們的「提交」（commits）制度——如果你不先「承諾」（commit）點什麼，那我就不會感興趣。
+
問：
- GitHub 上的爭執也是一個問題。代碼問題和政治問題就如同檢驗性和焦點。我贊同你剛剛說的。伊朗人正在進行六月起義。
+
+ GitHub 上也有議題（issue）。程式上的議題和政治議題的差別是，前者可以測試、也比較能聚焦。我贊同你剛剛說的。
+
+ [[Clay 解釋演講時提到伊朗時，指的是六月起義。]]]
+
馬來西亞也有著多民族關係的問題。我們對此做了很多工作。而政府——我很感激它們的所作所為，在這一點上幫助很大。
+
問：
- 嗨，我是 Billy. 目前我們發現，在台灣有很多在地的 IT 人會對「零時政府」做出貢獻。然而，我們是少數群體，我們做了很多很棒的工具但是人們並不知道這些。年長者們不會有動力去主動搜尋資訊，只是在被動地消費著報紙和電視頻道，這顯而易見會受人擺佈。
- 我們的同事也好、同學也好，他們中的一部分人也不會來使用這些工具——在他們的臉書牆上張貼的全是貓貓狗狗以及遊戲截圖——這樣他們便也不能夠閱讀到能夠改變他們的偏見的文章。您在推動這類人方面有什麼建議？
+ 嗨，我是雨蒼。目前我們發現，在台灣有很多在地的 IT 人會對「零時政府」做出貢獻。然而，我們是少數群體，我們做了很多很棒的工具，但是大部份的人並不知道這些。年長者們不會有動力去主動搜尋資訊，只是在被動地消費著報紙和電視頻道，這顯而易見會受人擺佈。
+ 而我們的同事也好、同學也好，他們中有些人也不會來使用這些工具——在他們的臉書牆上張貼的全是貓貓狗狗以及遊戲截圖——他們也讀不到能夠改變他們的偏見的文章。您在推動這類人方面有什麼建議？
+
答：
首先我想說，人們大多不願意改變舊有的想法，而願意改變的僅僅是情感，然後想法隨情緒而變——就像我假想的我那頂藍盔一樣——食物棚改變了我的情感，而這才讓我成為了一名佔領者。
- 如果你將注意力集中於把媒體作為一種傳遞資訊的方式上，那你就能在大部分都為你的對手所控制的領域裡游刃有餘。你需要做的是同情感進行交流。
+ 如果你將注意力集中於把媒體作為一種傳遞資訊的方式上，那你就會陷進大部分都為你的對手所控制的領域裡。所以你需要做的是用情感進行交流。
+
[[Tammy 將這段話回翻成國語給 Billy]]
- 第二點。千萬不要低估了可愛形象的作用！
- 「萌貓理論」對網際網路上的異見人士來說並非玩笑！這一理論普遍被認可為真實——儘管此一「工具」總會被持異政見者們忽視，但若你能將這種滑稽可愛的形象傳遞出去，那就是一個極大的優勢了。
- 人類學家補充：中國大陸政治網路的街頭藝術。當陳光誠被捕後，人們戴上眼鏡來扮作陳光誠或說肯德基的藝術形象，這樣就讓審查機制更難以審查了——千萬不要低估了藝術的能力！[請參閱這本關於創意激進主義的書：http://beautifultrouble.org/]
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+ 第二點。千萬不要低估了可愛 :cat: 的作用！
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+ 「萌貓理論」對網際網路上的異見人士來說並非玩笑！這一理論普遍被認可為真——專門設計來給異議者使用的工具總會被忽視，但如果同樣的工具可以用來散佈 :cat2:，那就是一個極大的優勢了。
+ 人類學家補充：中國大陸政治網路的街頭藝術。當陳光誠被捕後，人們戴上眼鏡來扮作陳光誠，並結合肯德基的藝術形象，這樣就讓審查機制更難以審查了——千萬不要低估了藝術的力量！[請參閱這本關於創意激進主義的書：http://beautifultrouble.org/] :dog: :dog2:
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圖片源自：http://www.minzhuzhongguo.org/english/ArtShow.aspx?AID=27468
- 最後一點：如果你同不贊成你的人交談——比如中年人這一群體——那不要問自己如何才能讓他們相信你所說的每一點，而是問自己是否能讓他們相信一點點。先試 著達成一件事情的一致。你並非那些瘋狂的邊緣性人格者，故而先讓他們因為你說了一件明智的事情而樂意聽你講。如果你能將一件事情講的有理有據——比如說收 入不平等的問題——那就從這裡講起，先把它講好。
+ 最後一點：如果你同不贊成你的人交談——比如中年人這一群體——那不要問自己如何才能讓他們相信你所說的每一點，而是問自己是否能讓他們相信某一點。先試著在某件事情上達成一致，讓對方知道你不是瘋子，也就是先讓他們因為你說了一件明智的事情，而樂意聽你接者講。如果你能將一件事情講的有理有據——比如說收 入不平等的問題——那就從這裡講起，先把它講好。
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CL: 最後一個問題……
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問：您認可政府應該以模組化的形式作業，而非現今這般的以等級系統的形式嗎？政府應不應該鼓勵公民在細小的方面參與管理呢？
- 答：即使在民主政府的層面上來探討，任何形式的公民參與都將會增加社會資本的投入。一次又一次地，當人們研究災害的時候，會發現在颶風面前（比如），人們 是否互信對於抗對災害的影響很大。並不是說政府和警報無用——它們的確很重要——但更攸關的事情卻是人們是否認識並相信對方。在這種時候，任何程度的參與 其中都是有價值的。
+ 答：至少在民主政府的層面上來探討，任何形式的公民參與都會增加社會資本的投入。一次又一次地，當人們研究災害的時候，會發現在颶風面前（比如），人們是否互信的影響最大。並不是說政府和警報無用——它們的確很重要——但更攸關的事情卻是人們是否認識並信任對方。在這種時候，任何程度的參與，其中都是有價值的。
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「我明白中文裡『關係』的概念，並且這很有用」，Clay 說。
- 對於前一半的問題：請不要以為模塊化就必定意味著非等級化，或者反之亦然。等級制是一種工具。只有在為了更大的目標而不得不做的時候再去破除它。我認為模 塊化十一個很好的目標，且顯而易見地在擴張規模的時候模塊化更為可行——真正的問題在於我們應該如何權衡——就像冰島的制憲復決總是被當權者撤回一樣。所 以問題與工具無關，問題在於，我們能否找到一個國家，至少是一個城市，來進行試驗。
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+ 對於前一半的問題：請不要以為模組化就必定意味著去等級化，或者反之亦然。等級制度是一種工具。只有在為了更大的目標而服務時，我們才需要破除它。我認為模組化是一個很好的目標，且顯而易見地在擴張規模的時候模組化更為可行——真正的問題在於我們應該如何善用這股力量——像冰島的全民制憲，後來就被當權者撤回了。所以問題與工具無關，問題在於，我們能否找到一個國家，或至少是一個城市，來進行試驗。
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+ CL：我想用 Clay 的一段話來結束這段開場。「黑客松的主要產物，並不是會動的程式，而是參與者之間發展出的人際關係。」
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我們 Loomio 這套軟體就是用來引導人們意識到密度的重要性，以及處理好個人需求與小組需求的關係。現在 Loomio 團隊已經有了 16 個人，但我們依然高效運作，因為我們在運作上下了功夫我們發展規模，但也重視相互之間的需求，而非自高自大。
- Clay: 這是一張簡化了的圖表。而其在此文化是關鍵。模塊化是關鍵的一步，也是我確信小組作業所必經的一步。然而我認為文化問題對我們美國人的各種運動來說是個巨大 的窘境，它使每一個自由人畏縮。在一個種族多樣的小組中這一點的處理會更加困難。IT 行業對我們來講就如同最糟糕的新聞。一個社群如果多樣化，那麼其獲得一致性的率就會降低。
+ Clay: 這是一張簡化了的圖表。而在此文化是關鍵。模塊化是關鍵的一步，也是我確信小組作業所必經的一步。然而我認為文化問題對我們美國人的各種運動來說是個巨大 的窘境，它使每一個自由人畏縮。在一個種族多樣的小組中這一點的處理會更加困難。IT 行業對我們來講就如同最糟糕的新聞。一個社群如果多樣化，那麼其獲得一致性的率就會降低。
那麼我們來探討這種多民族構成的小組。在這種擁有多民族文化背景的小組中，我們需要「人為地」增加社會資本。同樣令人畏縮的是，軍隊和體育隊在處理種族整合的問題上做得更好，因為它們有明確的目標以及可辨別的敵人。這很困難，但若可能的話，我們或許會需要撿起一些什麼來。
GitHub 很棒。我喜歡它們「貢獻」這個叫法——如果你不「貢獻」點什麼，那我就不會感興趣。
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*這圖上所畫的點代表著獨立個人，但他們可以選擇如何舉止。他們在進行協商時有著不同類型的文化預期，並不是一個模子刻出來的。所以這五人的組織，和另外五人的組織，可以是相同不同的。
- 我們 Loomio 這套軟體就是用來引導人們意識到密度的重要性，以及處理好個人需求與小組需求的關係。現在 Loomio 團隊已經有了 16 個人，但我們依然高效運作，因為我們在運作上下了功夫，我們發展規模，但也重視相互之間的需求，而非自高自大。
+ 我們 Loomio 這套軟體就是用來引導人們意識到密度的重要性，以及處理好個人需求與小組需求的關係。現在 Loomio 團隊已經有了 16 個人，但我們依然高效運作，因為我們在運作上下了功夫我們發展規模，但也重視相互之間的需求，而非自高自大。
Clay: 這是一張簡化了的圖表。而其在此文化是關鍵。模塊化是關鍵的一步，也是我確信小組作業所必經的一步。然而我認為文化問題對我們美國人的各種運動來說是個巨大 的窘境，它使每一個自由人畏縮。在一個種族多樣的小組中這一點的處理會更加困難。IT 行業對我們來講就如同最糟糕的新聞。一個社群如果多樣化，那麼其獲得一致性的率就會降低。
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我們 Loomio 這套軟體就是用來引導人們意識到密度的重要性，以及處理好個人需求與小組需求的關係。現在 Loomio 團隊已經有了 16 個人，但我們依然高效運作，因為我們在運作上下了功夫，我們發展規模，但也重視相互之間的需求，而非自高自大。
- Clay: 這是一張簡化了的圖表。而其中文化是關鍵。模塊化是關鍵的一步，也是我確信小組作業所必經的一步。然而我認為文化問題對我們美國人的各種運動來說是個巨大 的窘境，它使每一個自由人畏縮。在一個種族多樣的小組中這一點的處理會更加困難。IT 行業對我們來講就如同最糟糕的新聞。一個社群如果多樣化，那麼其獲得一致性的率就會降低。
+ Clay: 這是一張簡化了的圖表。而其在此文化是關鍵。模塊化是關鍵的一步，也是我確信小組作業所必經的一步。然而我認為文化問題對我們美國人的各種運動來說是個巨大 的窘境，它使每一個自由人畏縮。在一個種族多樣的小組中這一點的處理會更加困難。IT 行業對我們來講就如同最糟糕的新聞。一個社群如果多樣化，那麼其獲得一致性的率就會降低。
那麼我們來探討這種多民族構成的小組。在這種擁有多民族文化背景的小組中，我們需要「人為地」增加社會資本。同樣令人畏縮的是，軍隊和體育隊在處理種族整合的問題上做得更好，因為它們有明確的目標以及可辨別的敵人。這很困難，但若可能的話，我們或許會需要撿起一些什麼來。
GitHub 很棒。我喜歡它們「貢獻」這個叫法——如果你不「貢獻」點什麼，那我就不會感興趣。
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Rich 的提問：
- 我想說一說在 GitHub 上的爭論。在貢獻代碼的時候會有分歧。但與其直接說「不」，大家更願意說「要不這樣如何」。我覺得這是一個關鍵點，就是說這種兩可的部份。
+ *我想說一說在 GitHub 上的爭論。在貢獻代碼的時候會有分歧。但與其直接說「不」，大家更願意說「要不這樣如何」。我覺得這是一個關鍵點，就是說這種「總是提出實際的替代方案」的特點。
+ *這圖上所畫的點代表著獨立個人，但他們可以選擇如何舉止。他們在進行協商時有著不同類型的文化預期，並不是一個模子刻出來的。所以這五人的組織，和另外五人的組織，可以是相同不同的。
- 就如同這圖上所畫。點代表著獨立個人。他們可以選擇如何舉止。他們在進行協商時有著不同類型的文化預期。這不是不可交換的部份。故而與兩個五人組是不同的。
+ 我們 Loomio 這套軟體就是用來引導人們意識到密度的重要性，以及處理好個人需求與小組需求的關係。現在 Loomio 團隊已經有了 16 個人，但我們依然高效運作，因為我們在運作上下了功夫，我們發展規模，但也重視相互之間的需求，而非自高自大。
- Loomio 展望這款軟體就是用來引導人們意識到密度的重要性，以及處理好個人需求同小組需求的關係。現在 Loomio 團隊已經有了 16 個人，但我們依然高效運作，因為我們在運作上下了功夫，我們發展規模，但也重視相互之間的需求，而非自高自大。
Clay: 這是一張簡化了的圖表。而其中文化是關鍵。模塊化是關鍵的一步，也是我確信小組作業所必經的一步。然而我認為文化問題對我們美國人的各種運動來說是個巨大 的窘境，它使每一個自由人畏縮。在一個種族多樣的小組中這一點的處理會更加困難。IT 行業對我們來講就如同最糟糕的新聞。一個社群如果多樣化，那麼其獲得一致性的率就會降低。
那麼我們來探討這種多民族構成的小組。在這種擁有多民族文化背景的小組中，我們需要「人為地」增加社會資本。同樣令人畏縮的是，軍隊和體育隊在處理種族整合的問題上做得更好，因為它們有明確的目標以及可辨別的敵人。這很困難，但若可能的話，我們或許會需要撿起一些什麼來。
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最後一點：如果你同不贊成你的人交談——比如中年人這一群體——那不要問自己如何才能讓他們相信你所說的每一點，而是問自己是否能讓他們相信一點點。先試 著達成一件事情的一致。你並非那些瘋狂的邊緣性人格者，故而先讓他們因為你說了一件明智的事情而樂意聽你講。如果你能將一件事情講的有理有據——比如說收 入不平等的問題——那就從這裡講起，先把它講好。
CL: 最後一個問題……
- 問：您認可政府應該以模塊化的形式作業而非現今這般的以等級系統的形式嗎？政府應不應該鼓勵公民在細小的方面參與管理呢？
+ 問：您認可政府應該以模組化的形式作業，而非現今這般的以等級系統的形式嗎？政府應不應該鼓勵公民在細小的方面參與管理呢？
答：即使在民主政府的層面上來探討，任何形式的公民參與都將會增加社會資本的投入。一次又一次地，當人們研究災害的時候，會發現在颶風面前（比如），人們 是否互信對於抗對災害的影響很大。並不是說政府和警報無用——它們的確很重要——但更攸關的事情卻是人們是否認識並相信對方。在這種時候，任何程度的參與 其中都是有價值的。
「我明白中文裡『關係』的概念，並且這很有用」，Clay 說。
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+ Rich 的提問：
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+ 我想說一說在 GitHub 上的爭論。在貢獻代碼的時候會有分歧。但與其直接說「不」，大家更願意說「要不這樣如何」。我覺得這是一個關鍵點，就是說這種兩可的部份。
+
+ 就如同這圖上所畫。點代表著獨立個人。他們可以選擇如何舉止。他們在進行協商時有著不同類型的文化預期。這不是不可交換的部份。故而與兩個五人組是不同的。
+
+ Loomio 展望這款軟體就是用來引導人們意識到密度的重要性，以及處理好個人需求同小組需求的關係。現在 Loomio 團隊已經有了 16 個人，但我們依然高效運作，因為我們在運作上下了功夫，我們發展規模，但也重視相互之間的需求，而非自高自大。
+ Clay: 這是一張簡化了的圖表。而其中文化是關鍵。模塊化是關鍵的一步，也是我確信小組作業所必經的一步。然而我認為文化問題對我們美國人的各種運動來說是個巨大 的窘境，它使每一個自由人畏縮。在一個種族多樣的小組中這一點的處理會更加困難。IT 行業對我們來講就如同最糟糕的新聞。一個社群如果多樣化，那麼其獲得一致性的率就會降低。
+ 那麼我們來探討這種多民族構成的小組。在這種擁有多民族文化背景的小組中，我們需要「人為地」增加社會資本。同樣令人畏縮的是，軍隊和體育隊在處理種族整合的問題上做得更好，因為它們有明確的目標以及可辨別的敵人。這很困難，但若可能的話，我們或許會需要撿起一些什麼來。
+ GitHub 很棒。我喜歡它們「貢獻」這個叫法——如果你不「貢獻」點什麼，那我就不會感興趣。
+ 問：
+ GitHub 上的爭執也是一個問題。代碼問題和政治問題就如同檢驗性和焦點。我贊同你剛剛說的。伊朗人正在進行六月起義。
+ 馬來西亞也有著多民族關係的問題。我們對此做了很多工作。而政府——我很感激它們的所作所為，在這一點上幫助很大。
+ 問：
+ 嗨，我是 Billy. 目前我們發現，在台灣有很多在地的 IT 人會對「零時政府」做出貢獻。然而，我們是少數群體，我們做了很多很棒的工具但是人們並不知道這些。年長者們不會有動力去主動搜尋資訊，只是在被動地消費著報紙和電視頻道，這顯而易見會受人擺佈。
+ 我們的同事也好、同學也好，他們中的一部分人也不會來使用這些工具——在他們的臉書牆上張貼的全是貓貓狗狗以及遊戲截圖——這樣他們便也不能夠閱讀到能夠改變他們的偏見的文章。您在推動這類人方面有什麼建議？
+ 答：
+ 首先我想說，人們大多不願意改變舊有的想法，而願意改變的僅僅是情感，然後想法隨情緒而變——就像我假想的我那頂藍盔一樣——食物棚改變了我的情感，而這才讓我成為了一名佔領者。
+ 如果你將注意力集中於把媒體作為一種傳遞資訊的方式上，那你就能在大部分都為你的對手所控制的領域裡游刃有餘。你需要做的是同情感進行交流。
+ [[Tammy 將這段話回翻成國語給 Billy]]
+ 第二點。千萬不要低估了可愛形象的作用！
+ 「萌貓理論」對網際網路上的異見人士來說並非玩笑！這一理論普遍被認可為真實——儘管此一「工具」總會被持異政見者們忽視，但若你能將這種滑稽可愛的形象傳遞出去，那就是一個極大的優勢了。
+ 人類學家補充：中國大陸政治網路的街頭藝術。當陳光誠被捕後，人們戴上眼鏡來扮作陳光誠或說肯德基的藝術形象，這樣就讓審查機制更難以審查了——千萬不要低估了藝術的能力！[請參閱這本關於創意激進主義的書：http://beautifultrouble.org/]
+
+ 圖片源自：http://www.minzhuzhongguo.org/english/ArtShow.aspx?AID=27468
+
+ 最後一點：如果你同不贊成你的人交談——比如中年人這一群體——那不要問自己如何才能讓他們相信你所說的每一點，而是問自己是否能讓他們相信一點點。先試 著達成一件事情的一致。你並非那些瘋狂的邊緣性人格者，故而先讓他們因為你說了一件明智的事情而樂意聽你講。如果你能將一件事情講的有理有據——比如說收 入不平等的問題——那就從這裡講起，先把它講好。
+ CL: 最後一個問題……
+ 問：您認可政府應該以模塊化的形式作業而非現今這般的以等級系統的形式嗎？政府應不應該鼓勵公民在細小的方面參與管理呢？
+ 答：即使在民主政府的層面上來探討，任何形式的公民參與都將會增加社會資本的投入。一次又一次地，當人們研究災害的時候，會發現在颶風面前（比如），人們 是否互信對於抗對災害的影響很大。並不是說政府和警報無用——它們的確很重要——但更攸關的事情卻是人們是否認識並相信對方。在這種時候，任何程度的參與 其中都是有價值的。
+ 「我明白中文裡『關係』的概念，並且這很有用」，Clay 說。
+ 對於前一半的問題：請不要以為模塊化就必定意味著非等級化，或者反之亦然。等級制是一種工具。只有在為了更大的目標而不得不做的時候再去破除它。我認為模 塊化十一個很好的目標，且顯而易見地在擴張規模的時候模塊化更為可行——真正的問題在於我們應該如何權衡——就像冰島的制憲復決總是被當權者撤回一樣。所 以問題與工具無關，問題在於，我們能否找到一個國家，至少是一個城市，來進行試驗。
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現場直播網址 (live url)、錄
- 錄影紀錄網址 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9Qbasb-mow)照
- 現場口譯地下電台 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9Qbasb-mow)
- 片紀錄網址 (photos url)
+ *Video record: ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9Qbasb-mow)
+ *現場口譯地下電台 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9Qbasb-mow)
+ *Photos 片紀錄網址 (photos url)
↓文字轉播、線上討論↓
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如果運動要一直持續下去，不要忽視任何做事的成員，無論從寫 Code 到佔領，只要任何人願意付出時間、付諸實踐於照顧彼此。
- [ny questions for the speaker?
+
+ 謝謝各位！！（掌聲）[ny questions for the speaker?
[我的中文不好，對不起] s（ays Clay
）
- [提問、回答未完待續]
+ [提問、回答得翻譯未完待續]
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- [Any questions for the speaker?
- [我的中文不好，對不起] says Clay
+ [ny questions for the speaker?
+ [我的中文不好，對不起] s（ays Clay
+ ）
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+ [提問、回答未完待續]
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+ [Any questions for the speaker?
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+ 現場口譯地下電台 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9Qbasb-mow)
片紀錄網址 (photos url)
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To the first half: Don't think that modular necessarily means non-hierarchical, or vice versa. Hierarchy is a tool. Stamping it out is only useful when it's part of a larger goal. I think modularity is a good goal, it's evidently possible to scale out and up with modularity — the real Q is where can we leverage this — like in Icelandic constitutional referendum — it's often pulled back by people in power. The Q is not about the tools, the Q is where can we find a country, or at least a city, that is willing to experiment with.
- CL: I'd like to close this opening with a saying of Clay's: The most important thing with a hackathon is not the production, but the social capital that we produce.
+ CL: I'd like to close this opening with a saying of Clay's: The most important things came out with a hackathon is not the code or production, but the social capital that we built.
We'll separate in 5 rooms, so please write-in the topics you'd like to work on or discuss. It's not about presentation, but actually starting conversations by participants interested. Hackfoldr has the hackpad for each room and we'd like to ask volunteers to keep notes.
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[[Planning sessions ensue]]]
- 中文翻譯
+ *中文翻譯
謝謝大家。我昨天晚上跟好多人聊過，很抱歉錯過昨天的會議。
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如何最佳化？第一個，我們來談模組化（Modularity）。
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+ 模組化
開放源碼的專案通常會使用模組化的架構。不是因為程式碼需要這樣設計，而是工程師們需要。當他們對 [必須由一個人] 維持整體的架構感到疲累時，就會趨向使用模組化的協作方式。
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第二個議題，政治運動必須考慮「串聯社會資本（bridging social capital）」與「黏附社會資本（bonding social capital）成本」。
+
+ 串聯社會資本與黏附社會資本
這兩者的不同之處在於：想像一下，有哪些人會借你 100 元美金，而且不問你原因的？
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如何轉換黏附社會資本的運動形式為串聯社會資本，也是一大設計挑戰。如果一大群人在一個房間，你可能得到的回應為：「這位是Diane，這位是Sue，那位是Scott....」的介紹。40個人的話，就會演變成「Diane-產品總監」、「CxO」... 一堆抬頭和角色。
- 最後的議題，共識與決斷的張力
+ 共識與決斷的張力
小團體通常傾向由共識協調運作：每個人都能感受到參加會議的人，也都了解正在發生的事情。我們也在先前知道了，這種運作沒辦法擴展（規模/人數）。
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45年前，Internet只有兩種程式，TELNET和FTP。這兩種程式的出現，讓科學家、研究者等等可以遠端連線進行存取資料的作業，但是幾年過去了，沒有任何事情發生，也沒有任何第三方的替代程式出現。
- 然而在70年代早期，Email由MIT發佈(Ported)後，Internet就起飛了 - 90天內佔75%的骨幹傳輸量。
+ 然而在70年代早期，Email 由 MIT 移植 (Ported) 過來後，Internet就起飛了 - 90天內佔75%的骨幹傳輸量。
最顯著的狀況與程式碼和資料無關，但跟人息息相關。我們必須要跟人息息相關。每當有新東西出現時，我們都會高估程式碼與資料，但低估了人的重要(相關)性。
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我的朋友Marianne Manilov曾經指出：純然的行動導向的運動有機會持續數年，但可以一瞬間就斷掉。運動能夠有足夠的時間來照顧到參與的彼此，是運動能夠持續的關鍵。
- 而「照顧彼此（Taking care each other）」在美國是一個基礎想法。專注於「聯結政治和照顧」這種模式，Strike Debt、Occupy Sandy等倡議也是因此成功的例子之一。（Intersection between politics and care-taking西班牙人的概念為 'politica affectiva' - 愛與社會關係的政治之意）
+ 而「照顧彼此（Taking care each other）」在美國是一個基礎想法。專注於「聯結政治和照顧」這種模式，Strike Debt、Occupy Sandy 等倡議也是因此成功的例子之一。（Intersection between politics and care-taking西班牙人的概念為 'politica affectiva' - 愛與社會關係的政治之意）
關於 Unconference的精神，以及為了創造一些進展而尋找方向，我想說可以從伊朗革命的進展看到，短期倡議目前發展的非常好，但能夠長期的分散型溝通與投注(運動)，仍然不足。
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密度 vs 擴展性，決定於：模組化、共識與決斷、聯繫資產和黏附與串聯社會資本。
- 如果運動要一直持續下去，不要忽視任何做事的成員，無論從寫Code到佔領，只要任何人願意付出時間、付諸實踐於照顧彼此。
+ 如果運動要一直持續下去，不要忽視任何做事的成員，無論從寫 Code 到佔領，只要任何人願意付出時間、付諸實踐於照顧彼此。
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在1980年代，有一個 Act Up!小組出現，針對醫療機構和媒體進行HIV、AIDS的相關倡議行動。在短短10天之內，他們建立了驚人的行動，這也像在說「共識」的方式其實不錯。
但10天之後，有些文件描述道當時情形：
- *「我們需要執行委員會」、「運轉不受控制超出預期，最多兩週以內，我們成長的太快，以至於超出共識能解決的範疇。」這任何群組織、社群、群組而言，這是永永遠的難題 - 軟體可以讓人們跨越就太好了。
- 避免錯誤，尤其是人們著力於對政治的資料或規範(Code)
- *needs review:
- *software to get people across that would be fantastic.
- *To avoid mistake: Especially with people working on data and code for politics.
+ *「我們需要執行委員會」、「運轉不受控制超出預期，最多兩週以內，我們成長的太快，以至於超出共識能解決的範疇。」這任何群組織、社群、群組而言，這是永持續面臨的難題，要是有軟體可以讓人們跨越這道鴻溝，那就太好了。
+
+ 避免錯誤，尤其是人們著力於政治性的資料或程式碼時。
45年前，Internet只有兩種程式，TELNET和FTP。這兩種程式的出現，讓科學家、研究者等等可以遠端連線進行存取資料的作業，但是幾年過去了，沒有任何事情發生，也沒有任何第三方的替代程式出現。
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More info: g0v summit 2014 hackfoldr
More info: g0v summit unconf 2014 hackfoldr
- 現場直播網址 (live url)、錄影紀錄網址 (video url)、照片紀錄網址 (photos url)
+ 現場直播網址 (live url)、錄
+ 錄影紀錄網址 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9Qbasb-mow)照
+ 片紀錄網址 (photos url)
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我們再來看看白板上的圖，1
個人的團體，有 45 條連結。另外一個組成的可能方式是：有兩個 5 人的團體，中間有一條關係串聯兩個團體。
- [ 未完 ]從分成兩個5人團體的圖來看，雖然建立了階層性，但分離了兩個複雜的毛線球，也降低了風險。
+ 從分成兩個5人團體的圖來看，雖然建立了階層性，但分離了兩個複雜的毛人際線球，也降低了風險。
在佔領佔領運動（佔領華爾街衍伸的全球佔領運動），世界各地有許多營地佔領現場曾這些現場統合集結，但。此我們如何增加橫跨全球營地之間的串連？
- 我們的目標是，每個個佔領現場需要2人小組x2，單一小組要認識其他2個佔領現場的2人小組。這是能夠維繫連結的最小配置，也是最小密度的配置。這是串聯社會資本。
- 我們不需要彼此理解或是同意彼此任何事情，但我們需要溝通。
+ 我們的目標是，每個個佔領現場需要2人小組x2，每個2人小組要認識其他2個佔領現場的2人小組。這是能夠維繫連結的最小配置，也是最小密度的配置。這就是串聯社會資本的範例。我們不需要彼此理解或是同意彼此任何事情，但我們需要溝通。
- 如何轉換黏附社會資本的運動形式為串聯社會資本（的運動形式），也是一大設計挑戰。
- 如果一大群人在一個房間，你可能得到的回應為：「這位是Diane，這位是Sue，那位是Scott....」的介紹。
- 40個人的話，演變成「Diane-產品總監」、「CxO」... 一堆抬頭和角色。
+ 如何轉換黏附社會資本的運動形式為串聯社會資本，也是一大設計挑戰。如果一大群人在一個房間，你可能得到的回應為：「這位是Diane，這位是Sue，那位是Scott....」的介紹。40個人的話，就會演變成「Diane-產品總監」、「CxO」... 一堆抬頭和角色。
最後的議題，共識與決斷的張力
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- 小團體通常傾向由共識協調運作。每個人都能感受到會議中，其他都有了解正在發生的事情。我們也在先前知道了，這種運作沒辦法擴展（規模/人數）。
- 這是人類條件的悲劇。人們彼此承諾，卻被擴展性給擊敗。
- 在1980年代，有一個 Act Up!小組出現，針對醫療機構和媒體進行HIV、AIDS的相關倡議行動。在短短10天之內，他們建立了驚人的行動，這也像在說有「共識」其實很棒！
- 但10天之後，有些文件說道：
- *「我們需要執行委員會」
- *「運轉不受控制超出預期，最多兩週以內，我們成長的太快，以至於超出共識能解決的範疇。」這對任何群組都是永遠的難題
- 。
+ 小團體通常傾向由共識協調運作：每個人都能感受到參加會議的人，也都了解正在發生的事情。我們也在先前知道了，這種運作沒辦法擴展（規模/人數）。
+ 這是人類條件的悲劇。人們可以彼此承諾，卻被擴展性給擊敗。
- 針對政府的資料或規範，若軟體可以讓人們跨越這個難題、避免這種錯誤就更奇妙了。
+ 在1980年代，有一個 Act Up!小組出現，針對醫療機構和媒體進行HIV、AIDS的相關倡議行動。在短短10天之內，他們建立了驚人的行動，這也像在說「共識」的方式其實不錯。
+ 但10天之後，有些文件描述道當時情形：
+ *「我們需要執行委員會」、「運轉不受控制超出預期，最多兩週以內，我們成長的太快，以至於超出共識能解決的範疇。」這任何群組織、社群、群組而言，這是永永遠的難題 - 軟體可以讓人們跨越就太好了。
+ 避免錯誤，尤其是人們著力於對政治的資料或規範(Code)
*needs review:
*software to get people across that would be fantastic.
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然而在70年代早期，Email由MIT發佈(Ported)後，Internet就起飛了 - 90天內佔75%的骨幹傳輸量。
- 最顯著的狀況與程式碼和資料無關，但跟人息息相關。我們必須要跟人息息相關。每當有新東西出現時，我們都會高估程式碼與資料，但低估了人們的重要(相關)性。
+ 最顯著的狀況與程式碼和資料無關，但跟人息息相關。我們必須要跟人息息相關。每當有新東西出現時，我們都會高估程式碼與資料，但低估了人的重要(相關)性。
- 所以如果你正在進行輔助決策相關的軟體開發，你必須認真看待人們的情感面，不然就會變成把人看成機器一般。
- 我的朋友Marianne Manilov曾經指出：純然的行動導向型運動有機會持續數年，但可以一瞬間就斷掉。運動能夠有足夠的時間來照顧到參與的彼此，是運動能夠持續的關鍵。
+ 所以如果你正在進行軟體發展，希望讓人更容易下決定，你必須認真看待人們的情感面，不然就會變成把人看成機器一般。
+ 我的朋友Marianne Manilov曾經指出：純然的行動導向的運動有機會持續數年，但可以一瞬間就斷掉。運動能夠有足夠的時間來照顧到參與的彼此，是運動能夠持續的關鍵。
- 「照顧彼此」在美國是一個激進的想法。專注於「聯結政治和照顧」這種模式，Strike Debt、Occupy Sandy等倡議也是因此成功的例子之一。（Intersection between politics and care-taking西班牙人的概念為 'politica affectiva' - 愛與社會關係的政治之意）
+ 而「照顧彼此（Taking care each other）」在美國是一個基礎想法。專注於「聯結政治和照顧」這種模式，Strike Debt、Occupy Sandy等倡議也是因此成功的例子之一。（Intersection between politics and care-taking西班牙人的概念為 'politica affectiva' - 愛與社會關係的政治之意）
- 關於 Unconference的精神，以及為了創造一些進展而尋找方向，我想說可以從伊朗革命的進展看到，短期倡議目前發展的非常好，但能夠長期的分散型溝通與投注，仍然不足。
+ 關於 Unconference的精神，以及為了創造一些進展而尋找方向，我想說可以從伊朗革命的進展看到，短期倡議目前發展的非常好，但能夠長期的分散型溝通與投注(運動)，仍然不足。
密度 vs 擴展性，決定於：模組化、共識與決斷、聯繫資產和黏附與串聯社會資本。
+
如果運動要一直持續下去，不要忽視任何做事的成員，無論從寫Code到佔領，只要任何人願意付出時間、付諸實踐於照顧彼此。
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*「我們需要執行委員會」
*「運轉不受控制超出預期，最多兩週以內，我們成長的太快，以至於超出共識能解決的範疇。」這對任何群組都是永遠的難題
+ 。
+
+ 針對政府的資料或規範，若軟體可以讓人們跨越這個難題、避免這種錯誤就更奇妙了。
+ *needs review:
+ *software to get people across that would be fantastic.
+ *To avoid mistake: Especially with people working on data and code for politics.
+
+ 45年前，Internet只有兩種程式，TELNET和FTP。這兩種程式的出現，讓科學家、研究者等等可以遠端連線進行存取資料的作業，但是幾年過去了，沒有任何事情發生，也沒有任何第三方的替代程式出現。
+ 然而在70年代早期，Email由MIT發佈(Ported)後，Internet就起飛了 - 90天內佔75%的骨幹傳輸量。
+
+ 最顯著的狀況與程式碼和資料無關，但跟人息息相關。我們必須要跟人息息相關。每當有新東西出現時，我們都會高估程式碼與資料，但低估了人們的重要(相關)性。
+
+ 所以如果你正在進行輔助決策相關的軟體開發，你必須認真看待人們的情感面，不然就會變成把人看成機器一般。
+ 我的朋友Marianne Manilov曾經指出：純然的行動導向型運動有機會持續數年，但可以一瞬間就斷掉。運動能夠有足夠的時間來照顧到參與的彼此，是運動能夠持續的關鍵。
+
+ 「照顧彼此」在美國是一個激進的想法。專注於「聯結政治和照顧」這種模式，Strike Debt、Occupy Sandy等倡議也是因此成功的例子之一。（Intersection between politics and care-taking西班牙人的概念為 'politica affectiva' - 愛與社會關係的政治之意）
+
+ 關於 Unconference的精神，以及為了創造一些進展而尋找方向，我想說可以從伊朗革命的進展看到，短期倡議目前發展的非常好，但能夠長期的分散型溝通與投注，仍然不足。
+
+ 密度 vs 擴展性，決定於：模組化、共識與決斷、聯繫資產和黏附與串聯社會資本。
+ 如果運動要一直持續下去，不要忽視任何做事的成員，無論從寫Code到佔領，只要任何人願意付出時間、付諸實踐於照顧彼此。
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個人的團體，有 45 條連結。另外一個組成的可能方式是：有兩個 5 人的團體，中間有一條關係串聯兩個團體。
[ 未完 ]從分成兩個5人團體的圖來看，雖然建立了階層性，但分離了兩個複雜的毛線球，也降低了風險。
- 在佔領運動期間，世界各地有許多營地，不曾統合集結，但彼此之間如何橫跨世界串連起來？
+ 在佔領佔領運動（佔領華爾街衍伸的全球佔領運動），世界各地有許多營地佔領現場曾這些現場統合集結，但。此我們如何增加橫跨全球營地之間的串連？
+ 我們的目標是，每個個佔領現場需要2人小組x2，單一小組要認識其他2個佔領現場的2人小組。這是能夠維繫連結的最小配置，也是最小密度的配置。這是串聯社會資本。
+ 我們不需要彼此理解或是同意彼此任何事情，但我們需要溝通。
+
+ 如何轉換黏附社會資本的運動形式為串聯社會資本（的運動形式），也是一大設計挑戰。
+ 如果一大群人在一個房間，你可能得到的回應為：「這位是Diane，這位是Sue，那位是Scott....」的介紹。
+ 40個人的話，演變成「Diane-產品總監」、「CxO」... 一堆抬頭和角色。
+
+ 最後的議題，共識與決斷的張力
+
+ 小團體通常傾向由共識協調運作。每個人都能感受到會議中，其他都有了解正在發生的事情。我們也在先前知道了，這種運作沒辦法擴展（規模/人數）。
+ 這是人類條件的悲劇。人們彼此承諾，卻被擴展性給擊敗。
+
+ 在1980年代，有一個 Act Up!小組出現，針對醫療機構和媒體進行HIV、AIDS的相關倡議行動。在短短10天之內，他們建立了驚人的行動，這也像在說有「共識」其實很棒！
+ 但10天之後，有些文件說道：
+ *「我們需要執行委員會」
+ *「運轉不受控制超出預期，最多兩週以內，我們成長的太快，以至於超出共識能解決的範疇。」這對任何群組都是永遠的難題
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如果你是在挖水溝，那麼規模的增加是線性的。但是，當合作的複雜度越高（需要越多溝通、合作、協調），增加規模就越困難。
- 我們在 NYU 的理論是這樣（註：講者是 NYU 的教授）：「規模」會降低「密度」（Scale defeats density），反之亦然。你沒辦法有一個很大的團體，然後每個人又彼此之間非常熟識。6 個人一起晚餐，彼此之間可以有很熱烈的談話，但你不可能和 60 個人一起晚餐，然後每個人彼此之間都充分談話。這和人們喜不喜歡彼此無關。
+ 我們在 紐約大學（NYU） 的理論是這樣（註：講者是 NYU 的教授）：「規模」會降低「密度」（Scale defeats density），反之亦然。你沒辦法有一個很大的團體，然後每個人又彼此之間非常熟識。6 個人一起晚餐，彼此之間可以有很熱烈的談話，但你不可能和 60 個人一起晚餐，然後每個人彼此之間都充分談話。這和人們喜不喜歡彼此無關。
更糟的是，這對所有想像中的密度都是成立的。你或許可以說，好，那每個人都認識房間裡一半的人。即使是像這樣想像中的密度，在規模變大時，也會變得難以維持。只要密度 >
，當團體的規模成長到一定大小的時候，就會把這個密度給摧毀。
- 複雜的團體要在規模上成長會更困難。
- 如果團體人數成長兩倍，整體的關係/協作複雜度會成長四倍。
+ 複雜的團體要在規模上成長會更困難。如果團體人數成長兩倍，整體的關係/協作複雜度會成長四倍。
這不是社會學、也不是政治學，這是數學。
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這兩者的不同之處在於：想像一下，有哪些人會借你 100 元美金，而且不問你原因的？
- 如果你增加黏附社會資本，代表你能夠借的錢更多；如果你增加串聯社會資本，就代表願意借你錢的人數變多。那個你愛上的緊密小團體，就是純粹的黏附式社會資本。
+ 如果你增加黏附社會資本，代表你能夠借的金額更多；如果你增加串聯社會資本，就代表願意借你錢的人數變多。那個你愛上的緊密小團體，就是純粹的黏附式社會資本。
我們再來看看白板上的圖，1
個人的團體，有 45 條連結。另外一個組成的可能方式是：有兩個 5 人的團體，中間有一條關係串聯兩個團體。
- [ 未完 ]
+ [ 未完 ]從分成兩個5人團體的圖來看，雖然建立了階層性，但分離了兩個複雜的毛線球，也降低了風險。
+ 在佔領運動期間，世界各地有許多營地，不曾統合集結，但彼此之間如何橫跨世界串連起來？
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My friend pMarianne Manilov ointed out: A purely action-motivated movement can keep around fora year but peters out. Does the movement give a substantial time to take care of each other, is the key to going on.
- “Taking care of each other” in the US is a radical idea. SStrike Debt andOOccupy Sandy(re the examples of success that focus on these kinds of models.: the intersection between politics and care-taking (the Spanish concept is 'politica affectiva' - a politics of social relationships and love)
+ “Taking care of each other” in the US is a radical idea. SStrike Debt andOOccupy Sandy(re the examples of success that focus on these kinds of models.: The intersection between politics and care-taking (the Spanish concept is 'politica affectiva' - a politics of social relationships and love)
In the spirit of unconference and looking for ways to make progress, I’d say one of the persistent issues dated from the Iranian uprising, is that short term uprising is incredibly available now, but hashing out long-term commitment and communication is still weea.
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*With the diagram here. The individual people the dots represent. They can choose how to behave. They have different sort of cultural expectation of negotiation. They are not interchangeable parts. So two groups of five are difference.
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- Te loomio vision is to teach people how to recognize the density, and the personal needs in relationship to the group's needs.
+ Te lLomio vision is to teach people how to recognize the density, and the personal needs in relationship to the group's needs.
1There are 6 members in Loomio already, but we're functinning really effectively, because we put in the effort in how you operate, and developing the ways ot scale but looking into the needs of each other, instead of being ego-centric.
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*Image from http://www.minzhuzhongguo.org/english/ArtShow.aspx?AID=27468
- Last thing: If you are talking to people who don't agree with you — say, middle-aged people — Don't ask yourself how to get them to believe everything you believe — Ask if you can get them to believe anything you believe. Try to get across one thing, so you are not one crazy marginal figure — get them willing to listen to you because you said one sensible thing. If you can say one thing that makes sense — like Occupy Wall Street's message about income inequality — get the one thing through and work with that.
+ Last thing: If you are talking to people who don't agree with you — say, middle-aged people — Don't ask yourself how to get them to believe everything you believe — Ask if you can get them to believe anything you believe. Try to get across one thing, so you are not one crazy marginal figure — get them willing to listen to you because you said one sensible thing. If you can say one thing that makes sense — like Occupy Wall Street's message about income inequality — get the one thing through and work with that.
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I want to talk in particular the problem of both political movements have with scale and the problems that people developing software for those movements.
- 1. Modularity
- 2. Bridging capital vs Bonding capital
- 3. Consensus vs. Decisiveness
+ *Modularity
+ *Bridging capital vs Bonding capital
+ *Consensus vs Decisiveness
Let’s start with a basic observation as I sketched on the whiteboard.
+ *
Politics is getting people to come to an agreement. If two people have to agree, there’s one agreement. 3 people have 3, 4 have 6 pairs, 5 have 10 etc.
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Optimization: First one: Modularity.
- Open Source projects tend to go modular with plugin architecture. Not when the code base needs it, but when developers do. Whenever they are tired of maintaining this whole thing, that’s the thing that forces the modularity.
+ Open Source projects tend to go modular with a plugin architecture. Not when the code base needs it, but when developers do. Whenever they are tired of maintaining this whole thing, that’s the thing that forces the modularity.
Larger code-bases may require modularity, but larger people-bases must become modular.
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In Occupy Wall Street I observed in 2011, I’ll go to the Park with a mental Blue Helmet “Not taking sides”. I got there, saw the people with their political signs — nothing surprises me — except the “shit is fucked up and bullshit” sign.
- But walking into the Park and see people not holding signs but just talking to each other — I saw the food tent — not the signs — but just making sure people are fed and asking “how can I help?” I’m a casual occupier at that time, and I self-identify as occupier because it lets me find a little job and do it. I prepare coffee, help the food station, it’s the little units.
+ But walking into the Park and see people not holding signs but just talking to each other — I saw the food tent — not the signs — but just making sure people are fed and asking “how can I help?” I became a casual occupier at that time, and I self-identify as an occupier because it lets me find a little job and do it. I prepare coffee, help the food station, it’s the little units.
Rather than amping everyone, find little units. How easy it is to integrate it into the whole. This is both about politics and software design. Where people makes small contributions to integrate into the whole.
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During the occupy movements, there’s multiple encampments all over the world. There’s never going to be a general assembly. So how can we increase the ties across the world?
- Our goal was, every occupation needs two groups of two people, each knows two people in two other occupations. That’s the minimum RAID allocation that would survive severed connection. It’s the least dense possible arrangement. That’s the bridging capital.
+ Our goal was, every occupation needs two groups of two people, each knows two people in two other occupations. That’s the minimum [RAID] allocation that would survive severed connection. It’s the least dense possible arrangement. That’s the bridging capital.
We don’t need to understand or agree, but we do need to communicate.
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我想談的是政治運動和軟體開發都會遇到的「規模」問題。會從三個方向來講：
*模組化（Modularity）
- *串聯（bridging）成本 vs 建立情感連結（bonding）成本
+ *串聯（bridging）與黏附（bonding）社會資本（social capital）
*共識（Consensus）與決斷（Decisiveness）
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2. 新加入的人要知道「我可以做什麼？（我可以解決哪個問題？）」的困難度有多高？—— 不透明或複雜的組織會讓新加入的人更難融入。
- 2011 年，我去了祖可蒂公園（ Zuccotti Park ）觀察佔領華爾街運動，戴著我的藍色安全帽，一邊想著「我是來觀察的，所以沒有有任何立場」。到了現場，我看到許多群眾，帶著他們的抗議標語——沒有什麼讓我覺得吃驚的，除了那個「shit is fucked up and bullshit」的標語。
+ 2011 年，我去了祖可蒂公園（ Zuccotti Park ）觀察佔領華爾街運動，心中戴著我的藍色安全帽（指聯合國維和行動），一邊想著「我是來觀察的，所以沒有任何立場」。到了現場，我看到許多群眾，帶著他們的抗議標語——沒有什麼讓我覺得吃驚的，除了那個「shit is fucked up and bullshit」的標語。
但是當我走進公園，我看到人們並沒有拿著標語，他們只是和彼此聊著天——我看到食物攤——而非抗議標語——人們只是確認大家都有東西吃，然後互相詢問「我要怎麼幫忙？」。當下，我也成了一個抗議者，而且我自己覺得是這樣（相較於一開始的「我沒有立場」），因為我找到了一個我可以幫忙的小工作，並且開始幫忙。我準備咖啡，幫忙食物的攤位，這就是一個小的 [可運行的] 單位。
- 相較於擾動每個人（翻譯不確定，原文：amping everyone），找出最小可運作的單位，把這樣的小單位整合到整體中。這和政治有關，也和軟體設計有關。人們各自做出小小的貢獻，然後被整合進整體的專案。
+ 相較於將每個人都超頻增幅（amping everyone），可以改成找出最小可運作的單位，把這樣的小單位整合到整體中。這和政治有關，也和軟體設計有關。人們各自做出小小的貢獻，然後被整合進整體的專案。
軟體開發有個讓人驚豔的特點 —— 一個很好的爭論及整合模式 —— 我希望政治也能變成如此。如果你去看看人們在 GitHub 上是如何吵架的，你會知道，它的模式就是「告訴別人你要如何改變，然後讓其他人決定要不要整合這個改變」。
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它是內建的模組化。我想 [政治/社會] 運動也應該專注在「如何整合自願者的貢獻 [成為集體的成果] 」。
- 第二個議題，政治運動必須考慮「串聯社會資本（bridging social capital）」與「建立社會資本（bonding social capital）成本」。
+ 第二個議題，政治運動必須考慮「串聯社會資本（bridging social capital）」與「黏附社會資本（bonding social capital）成本」。
這兩者的不同之處在於：想像一下，有哪些人會借你 100 元美金，而且不問你原因的？
- 如果你增加社會資本，代表你能夠借的錢更多；如果你增加串聯社會資本，就代表願意借你錢的人變多。那個你愛上的緊密小團體，就是你的社會資本。
+ 如果你增加黏附社會資本，代表你能夠借的錢更多；如果你增加串聯社會資本，就代表願意借你錢的人數變多。那個你愛上的緊密小團體，就是純粹的黏附式社會資本。
我們再來看看白板上的圖，1
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- It’s my great honor to introduce Clay Shirky, a professor in ShangHai at the moment, and we WILL have a book signing party.
+ It’s my great honor to introduce Clay Shirky, NYU professor in ShangHai at the moment, and we WILL have a book signing party.
Clay:
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To avoid mistake: Especially with people working on data and code for politics.
- 45 years ago. Internet only had two programs, UUCP(?) and FTP.
+ 45 years ago. Internet only had two programs, UTELNETand FTP.
It would be great to get more eople — scientist, researchers, remote access to data — fbut or years, nothing happens — there’s no third-party programs.
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但是當我走進公園，我看到人們並沒有拿著標語，他們只是和彼此聊著天——我看到食物攤——而非抗議標語——人們只是確認大家都有東西吃，然後互相詢問「我要怎麼幫忙？」。當下，我也成了一個抗議者，而且我自己覺得是這樣（相較於一開始的「我沒有立場」），因為我找到了一個我可以幫忙的小工作，並且開始幫忙。我準備咖啡，幫忙食物的攤位，這就是一個小的 [可運行的] 單位。
- 相較於強化每個人（翻譯不確定，原文：amping everyone），找出最小可運作的單位，把這樣的小單位整合到整體中。這和政治有關，也和軟體設計有關。人們各自做出小小的貢獻，然後被整合進整體的專案。
+ 相較於擾動每個人（翻譯不確定，原文：amping everyone），找出最小可運作的單位，把這樣的小單位整合到整體中。這和政治有關，也和軟體設計有關。人們各自做出小小的貢獻，然後被整合進整體的專案。
軟體開發有個讓人驚豔的特點 —— 一個很好的爭論及整合模式 —— 我希望政治也能變成如此。如果你去看看人們在 GitHub 上是如何吵架的，你會知道，它的模式就是「告訴別人你要如何改變，然後讓其他人決定要不要整合這個改變」。
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“Taking care of each other” in the US is a radical idea. SStrike Debt andOOccupy Sandy(re the examples of success that focus on these kinds of models.: the intersection between politics and care-taking (the Spanish concept is 'politica affectiva' - a politics of social relationships and love)
- In the spirit of unconference and looking for ways to make progress, I’d say one of the persistent issues dated from the Iranian uprising, is that short term uprising is incredibly available now, but hashing out long-term commitment and communication is still week.
+ In the spirit of unconference and looking for ways to make progress, I’d say one of the persistent issues dated from the Iranian uprising, is that short term uprising is incredibly available now, but hashing out long-term commitment and communication is still weea.
Density vs Scale, dealing with the Modularity and Consensus and Decisiveness, and Bonding and Bridging capital.
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我想談的是政治運動和軟體開發都會遇到的「規模」問題。會從三個方向來講：
- *模組性
+ *模組化（Modularity）
*串聯（bridging）成本 vs 建立情感連結（bonding）成本
*共識（Consensus）與決斷（Decisiveness）
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讓我們先從觀察白板上畫的這個圖案開始。
- 政治，就是讓人們可以達成共識。如果兩個人要達成共識，需要一組共識。三個人，則需要三組。四
+ 政治，就是讓人們可以達成共識。如果兩個人要達成共識，需要一組共識。三個人，則需要三組。四個人，需要六組。五個人，就需要十組。以此類推。（任兩個人之間需要一組共識）
+
+ *
+
+ 如果你曾經好奇，「為什麼人越多好像越難溝通合作？」，原因就在這裡，數學解釋的很清楚。
+
+ 當你有 10 個人的時候，就有 45 條線（需要 45 組共識）。我們高中的經驗是正確的：當一個團體有越多人的時候，就越難讓新的成員加入，這是因為「團體」，代表裡頭的每個成員都認識彼此，所以 N 個人，就需要 N+1 個關係。
+
+ Brooks 在《人月神話》一書中提到對 IBM 專案的觀察：IBM 的交付日期總是拖延 --- 我想這裡的人都沒有這個問題 --- 所以 IBM 就僱用了更多人，來「讓事情加速」，但根據 Brooks 的觀察，這樣的做法卻總是讓事情更慢。
+
+ 這就是 Brooks 定律：在一個已經延遲的專案上，如果你增加更多的人手，反而只會讓專案更加延遲。
+
+ 原因就在於溝通的成本太高。
+
+ 如果你是在挖水溝，那麼規模的增加是線性的。但是，當合作的複雜度越高（需要越多溝通、合作、協調），增加規模就越困難。
+
+ 我們在 NYU 的理論是這樣（註：講者是 NYU 的教授）：「規模」會降低「密度」（Scale defeats density），反之亦然。你沒辦法有一個很大的團體，然後每個人又彼此之間非常熟識。6 個人一起晚餐，彼此之間可以有很熱烈的談話，但你不可能和 60 個人一起晚餐，然後每個人彼此之間都充分談話。這和人們喜不喜歡彼此無關。
+
+ 更糟的是，這對所有想像中的密度都是成立的。你或許可以說，好，那每個人都認識房間裡一半的人。即使是像這樣想像中的密度，在規模變大時，也會變得難以維持。只要密度 >
+ ，當團體的規模成長到一定大小的時候，就會把這個密度給摧毀。
+
+ 複雜的團體要在規模上成長會更困難。
+ 如果團體人數成長兩倍，整體的關係/協作複雜度會成長四倍。
+
+ 這不是社會學、也不是政治學，這是數學。
+
+ 所以這就讓我們陷入了兩難的局面。
+
+ 如何最佳化？第一個，我們來談模組化（Modularity）。
+
+ 開放源碼的專案通常會使用模組化的架構。不是因為程式碼需要這樣設計，而是工程師們需要。當他們對 [必須由一個人] 維持整體的架構感到疲累時，就會趨向使用模組化的協作方式。
+
+ 大型的源碼也許（may）會需要模組化，但是大型的群眾協作一定（must）會需要模組化。
+
+ 很多的社會/政治運動都是開始於「一群人、在同一個地方、有著一樣的感受」——想要保存這樣的共感是很自然的，但是當規模成長之後，往往很難維持下去。
+
+ 這是一個長期、廣泛出現的問題。當團體很小的時候，每個成員能夠親自，一對一的溝通，但是當規模變大，成員各自有非常不同的興趣和技能時，要如何維持大家的共感？
+
+ 有很多切入這樣一個困境的方式，但是沒有方式可以解決。
+
+ Yochai Benkler 的書 《Coase's Penguin》點出了三個原則：
+
+ *參與的最小單位是多小？
+
+ 當我們從小團體慢慢變成大團體的時候，最小能夠運作的單位是多小？當最小可運作的單位越小，就越容易招募新的人加入。
+
+ 2. 新加入的人要知道「我可以做什麼？（我可以解決哪個問題？）」的困難度有多高？—— 不透明或複雜的組織會讓新加入的人更難融入。
+
+ 2011 年，我去了祖可蒂公園（ Zuccotti Park ）觀察佔領華爾街運動，戴著我的藍色安全帽，一邊想著「我是來觀察的，所以沒有有任何立場」。到了現場，我看到許多群眾，帶著他們的抗議標語——沒有什麼讓我覺得吃驚的，除了那個「shit is fucked up and bullshit」的標語。
+
+ 但是當我走進公園，我看到人們並沒有拿著標語，他們只是和彼此聊著天——我看到食物攤——而非抗議標語——人們只是確認大家都有東西吃，然後互相詢問「我要怎麼幫忙？」。當下，我也成了一個抗議者，而且我自己覺得是這樣（相較於一開始的「我沒有立場」），因為我找到了一個我可以幫忙的小工作，並且開始幫忙。我準備咖啡，幫忙食物的攤位，這就是一個小的 [可運行的] 單位。
+
+ 相較於強化每個人（翻譯不確定，原文：amping everyone），找出最小可運作的單位，把這樣的小單位整合到整體中。這和政治有關，也和軟體設計有關。人們各自做出小小的貢獻，然後被整合進整體的專案。
+
+ 軟體開發有個讓人驚豔的特點 —— 一個很好的爭論及整合模式 —— 我希望政治也能變成如此。如果你去看看人們在 GitHub 上是如何吵架的，你會知道，它的模式就是「告訴別人你要如何改變，然後讓其他人決定要不要整合這個改變」。
+
+ 它是內建的模組化。我想 [政治/社會] 運動也應該專注在「如何整合自願者的貢獻 [成為集體的成果] 」。
+
+ 第二個議題，政治運動必須考慮「串聯社會資本（bridging social capital）」與「建立社會資本（bonding social capital）成本」。
+
+ 這兩者的不同之處在於：想像一下，有哪些人會借你 100 元美金，而且不問你原因的？
+
+ 如果你增加社會資本，代表你能夠借的錢更多；如果你增加串聯社會資本，就代表願意借你錢的人變多。那個你愛上的緊密小團體，就是你的社會資本。
+
+ 我們再來看看白板上的圖，1
+ 個人的團體，有 45 條連結。另外一個組成的可能方式是：有兩個 5 人的團體，中間有一條關係串聯兩個團體。
+ [ 未完 ]
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Q from Rich:
- *Arguments on gGthHb. tTat's disagreement by contribution. Instead of just saying n,o say "how about this instead." I think it's a key component, the alternative part.
+ *Arguments on gGthHb. tTat's disagreement by contribution. Instead of just saying n,o say "how about this instead." I think it's a key component, the alternative -proposingpart.
*With the diagram here. The individual people the dots represent. They can choose how to behave. They have different sort of cultural expectation of negotiation. They are not interchangeable parts. So two groups of five are difference.
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讓我們先從觀察白板上畫的這個圖案開始。
- 政治，就是讓人們可以達成共識。如果兩個人要達成共識，需要一組共識。三個人，則需要三個。
+ 政治，就是讓人們可以達成共識。如果兩個人要達成共識，需要一組共識。三個人，則需要三組。四
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Q from Rich:
- *Arguments on gGthHb. that's disagreement by contribution. Instead of just saying n,o say "how about this instead." I think it's a key component, the alternative part.
+ *Arguments on gGthHb. tTat's disagreement by contribution. Instead of just saying n,o say "how about this instead." I think it's a key component, the alternative part.
*With the diagram here. The individual people the dots represent. They can choose how to behave. They have different sort of cultural expectation of negotiation. They are not interchangeable parts. So two groups of five are difference.
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我想依循這場 unconference 的精神來一場 un-keynote。
- 我想談的問題
+ 我想談的是政治運動和軟體開發都會遇到的「規模」問題。會從三個方向來講：
+ *模組性
+ *串聯（bridging）成本 vs 建立情感連結（bonding）成本
+ *共識（Consensus）與決斷（Decisiveness）
+
+ 讓我們先從觀察白板上畫的這個圖案開始。
+
+ 政治，就是讓人們可以達成共識。如果兩個人要達成共識，需要一組共識。三個人，則需要三個。
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[PA: We need extension cords!] [[extension cords arrive]]
- CL: LOTS of people came to yesterday's venue — A group of people is being diverted back to this location — we'll wait a few minutes for them to arrive.
+ CL: LOTS of people cwentto yesterday's venue — A group of people is being diverted back to this location — we'll wait a few minutes for them to arrive.
We have English<>Chinese live interpretation, the URL is available in the hackfoldr here. If you'd like to connect to the icecast station, please ask people around you for the URL and setting up VLC: http://i.summit.g0v.tw:8554/unconf
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2. How easy is it for people to raise their hand and say I can work on this problem — opaque or complex organization makes it harder for people to find there way in.
- In Occupy Wall Street I observed in 2011, I’ll go to the Park with a mental Blue Helmet “Not taking sides”. I got there, saw the people with their political signs — nothing surprises me — except the “shit is fucked up” sign.
+ In Occupy Wall Street I observed in 2011, I’ll go to the Park with a mental Blue Helmet “Not taking sides”. I got there, saw the people with their political signs — nothing surprises me — except the “shit is fucked up and bullshit” sign.
But walking into the Park and see people not holding signs but just talking to each other — I saw the food tent — not the signs — but just making sure people are fed and asking “how can I help?” I’m a casual occupier at that time, and I self-identify as occupier because it lets me find a little job and do it. I prepare coffee, help the food station, it’s the little units.
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中文翻譯
- 謝謝大家。我昨天晚上跟好多人聊過，很抱歉錯過了昨天的會議。
+ 謝謝大家。我昨天晚上跟好多人聊過，很抱歉錯過昨天的會議。
- 我想依循這場 unconference 的精神
+ 我想依循這場 unconference 的精神來一場 un-keynote。
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+ 我想談的問題
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[[Planning sessions ensue]]]
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+ 中文翻譯
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+ 謝謝大家。我昨天晚上跟好多人聊過，很抱歉錯過了昨天的會議。
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+ 我想依循這場 unconference 的精神
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1. Modularity
- 2. Bridging capital vs bonding capital
- 3. Consensus vs. decisiveness
+ 2. Bridging capital vs Bonding capital
+ 3. Consensus vs. Decisiveness
Let’s start with a basic observation as I sketched on the whiteboard.
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Optimization: First one: Modularity.
- Open Source projects tend to go modular with plugin architecture. Not when the codebase needs it, but when developers do. Whenever they are tired of painting this whole thing, that’s the thing that forces the modularity.
+ Open Source projects tend to go modular with plugin architecture. Not when the code base needs it, but when developers do. Whenever they are tired of maintaining this whole thing, that’s the thing that forces the modularity.
- Larger code bases may require modularity.
+ Larger code-bases may require modularity, but larger people-bases must become modular.
- Many political movements are a group of people in a room feeling the same way. That natural impulse to preserve the feeling is so good but you can’t maintain it in scale.
+ Many political movements started out as a group of people in a room feeling the same way. That natural impulse to preserve the feeling is so good but you can’t maintain it in scale.
- It’s a long-term problem, widely replicated. How you are get a small group of people who can look each other in the eye, to a large group of people who encompass a large range of interesters and skills.
+ It’s a long-term problem, widely replicated. How do you get a small group of people who can look each other in the eye, to a large group of people who encompass a large range of interests and skills.
There’s a lot of ways to look at the dilemma but no way to get out of it.
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1. How small is the smallest unit of participation?
When we move from small to larger public, how small is the smallest useful unit. The smaller, it’s easier for recruit. Recruiting for scale is something you’d like to do.
+
2. How easy is it for people to raise their hand and say I can work on this problem — opaque or complex organization makes it harder for people to find there way in.
- In Occupy Wall Street I observed in 2011, I’ll go to the Park with a mental Blue Helmet “Not taking sides”. I got there, saw the people with their political signs — nothing surprises me — except the “shit is fucked up and bullshit”
+ In Occupy Wall Street I observed in 2011, I’ll go to the Park with a mental Blue Helmet “Not taking sides”. I got there, saw the people with their political signs — nothing surprises me — except the “shit is fucked up” sign.
- But walking into the Park and see people not holding signs but just talking to each other — I saw the food tent — not the signs — but just making sure people are fed and asking “how can I help?” I’m a casual occupier at that time, and I self-identify as occupier because it lets me find a little job and do it. I prepare coffee, help the food station, it’s little units.
+ But walking into the Park and see people not holding signs but just talking to each other — I saw the food tent — not the signs — but just making sure people are fed and asking “how can I help?” I’m a casual occupier at that time, and I self-identify as occupier because it lets me find a little job and do it. I prepare coffee, help the food station, it’s the little units.
Rather than amping everyone, find little units. How easy it is to integrate it into the whole. This is both about politics and software design. Where people makes small contributions to integrate into the whole.
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The second issue: Political movements must consider bridging social vs bonding social capital.
- The diff between the two is this. Think of the list of people who will loan you 100 (US) dollars without asking.
+ The difference between the two is this. Think of the list of people who will loan you 100 (US) dollars without asking.
If you are increasing bonding capital, you are increasing the amount of money that those people will loan you. If you are increasing bridging capital, you increase the number of people who would say “yes”. It matters is that the small group when you fell in love with, it is pure bonding capital.
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During the occupy movements, there’s multiple encampments all over the world. There’s never going to be a general assembly. So how can we increase the ties across the world?
- Our goal was, every occupation needs two groups of two people, each knows two people in two other occupation. That’s the minimum RAID allocation that would survive severed connection. It’s the least dense possible arrangement. That’s the bridging capital.
+ Our goal was, every occupation needs two groups of two people, each knows two people in two other occupations. That’s the minimum RAID allocation that would survive severed connection. It’s the least dense possible arrangement. That’s the bridging capital.
We don’t need to understand or agree, but we do need to communicate.
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How to build a movement from bonding to bridging capital is a huge design challenge.
- If there’s a dozen people in the room, the answer you get is “That’s Diane” “that’s Sue” “That’s Scott”
+ If there’s a dozen people in the room, the answer you get is “That’s Diane” “That’s Sue” “That’s Scott”
40 people, “head of production, Diane”, “chief of …” etc with titles + roles.
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It’s a tragedy of the human condition. People commit to them but are defeated by scale.
- In the 198 's, agroup called Act Up!cemergedto fight the phharmsand media around HIV and AIDS. I(Amazing documentary.) n a matter of 10 days they created this incredible movement. It’s like consensus is great!
+ In the 198 's, agroup called Act Up!cemergedto fight the pbig pharmaceuticalsand media around HIV and AIDS. I(Amazing documentary.) n a matter of 10 days they created this incredible movement. It’s like consensus is great!
10 days later another document. “We need an executive committee.”
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It’s spinning out of control! Ultimately in less than 2 weeks, we’ve grown so fast we’re out of consensus range.
- It’s a permanent problem for any group — software to get people across that would be fantastics.
+ It’s a permanent problem for any group — software to get people across that would be fantastics
To avoid mistake: Especially with people working on data and code for politics.
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45 years ago. Internet only had two programs, UUCP(?) and FTP.
- It would be great to get people — scientist, researchers, remote access to data — for years, nothing happens — there’s no third-party programs.
+ It would be great to get more eople — scientist, researchers, remote access to data — fbut or years, nothing happens — there’s no third-party programs.
Early 70s, where Email was ported from MIT, the internet took off. (75% of backbone traffic within 90 days)
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So if you’re working on software that makes decision easier, you need to do the emotional piece, otherwise you’re treating people as machine.
- My friend pMarianne Manilov ointed out: A purely action-motivated movement can keep a year but peters out. Does the movement give a substantial time to take care of each other, is the key to going on.
+ My friend pMarianne Manilov ointed out: A purely action-motivated movement can keep around fora year but peters out. Does the movement give a substantial time to take care of each other, is the key to going on.
- “Taking care of each other” in the US is a radical idea. SStrike Debt andOOccupy Sandy(re the examples of success that focus on these kinds of models.: the intersection between politics and caretaking (the Spanish concept is 'politica affectiva' - a politics of social relationships and love)
+ “Taking care of each other” in the US is a radical idea. SStrike Debt andOOccupy Sandy(re the examples of success that focus on these kinds of models.: the intersection between politics and care-taking (the Spanish concept is 'politica affectiva' - a politics of social relationships and love)
In the spirit of unconference and looking for ways to make progress, I’d say one of the persistent issues dated from the Iranian uprising, is that short term uprising is incredibly available now, but hashing out long-term commitment and communication is still week.
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Any questions for the speaker?
- [我的中文不好，對不起] says clay
+ [我的中文不好，對不起] says cCay
Q from Rich:
- *Arguments on github. that's disagreement by contribution. Instead of just saying n,o say "how about this instead." I think it's a key component, the alternative part.
+ *Arguments on gGthHb. that's disagreement by contribution. Instead of just saying n,o say "how about this instead." I think it's a key component, the alternative part.
*With the diagram here. The individual people the dots represent. They can choose how to behave. They have different sort of cultural expectation of negotiation. They are not interchangeable parts. So two groups of five are difference.
- the loomio vision is to teach people how to recognize the density, and the personal needs in relationship to the group's needs.
- 16 members in Loomio already, but we're functinoning really effectively, because we put in the effort in how you operate, and developing the ways ot scale but looking into the needs of each other, instead of being ego-centric.
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+ Te loomio vision is to teach people how to recognize the density, and the personal needs in relationship to the group's needs.
+ 1There are 6 members in Loomio already, but we're functinning really effectively, because we put in the effort in how you operate, and developing the ways ot scale but looking into the needs of each other, instead of being ego-centric.
- Clay: This is simplified diagram. Culture is key. Modularity is a key thing, where I trust the group to do the things over there. But I think the Q of culture is a huge dilemma for us in the US around the movements, is daunting for any liberal people. It's more difficult in a racially diverse groups. IT's like the worst news for us. In a community who's diversified, the consensus rate goes down.
+ Clay: This is simplified diagram. Culture is key. Modularity is a key thing, where I trust the group to do the things over there. But I think the Q of culture is a huge dilemma for us in the US round the movements, is daunting for any liberal people. It's more difficult in a racially diverse groups. ITts like the worst news for us. In a community who's diversified, the consensus rate goes down.
- So in multiethncicgroups. we have to create a'rtificially 'increase dsocial capital in the context of multi-ethnic groups. It's also daunting that the two groups who do best with racial integration is Mliltary and Sport teams, because have have clear objectsves and identifieble enemy. It's difficult, but possible, and picking up is something we have to do.
+ So in multie-thncicgroups. we have to create a'rtificially 'increase dsocial capital in the context of multi-ethnic groups. It's also daunting that the two groups who do best with racial integration is Mlltiary and Sport teams, because have have clear objectsves and ian dentifieble eopponent It's difficult, but possible, and picking uthis p is something we have to do.
- GitHub is great. I love that they are called "commits" — If you are not "committing" I'm not interested.
+ GitHub is great. I love that they are called "commits" — Ift says implicitly that i you are not "committing" I'm not interested.
Q:
- Argument on Github is also issues. Code issues vs Political issues is testabiliy and focus. I agree what you're saying. Iranian is the June uprising.
+ Argument on GithHb is also issues. The difference betweenCode issues vs Political issues is testabiliyt and focus. I agree what you're saying. around GitHub
- Multi-ethnic relation in Malaysia. We have a lot of work on that. The government — I appreciate what they do _ is really helping in this regard.
+ [Clay clarifies: The ranian ievent I mentioned s the June uprising.
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+ Multi-ethnic relation in Malaysia. We have a lot of work on that. The government — I appreciate what they do _—is really helping in this regard.
Q:
- Hi I'm billy. Currently we find in Taiwan, most of people here does IT work and contribute to g0v. We are the minority however, we make awesome tools but people don't know about that. Older people may not actively seek out information, but passively consume newspapers and TV channels, which are obviously manipulated.
+ Hi I'm bBlly. Currently we find in Taiwan, most of people here does IT work and contribute to g0v. We are the minority however, we make awesome tools but mostpeople don't know about that. Older people may not actively seek out information, but passively consume newspapers and TV channels, which are obviously manipulated.
Our colleagues and classmates, some of them are not used to this kind of tools either — on their Facebook walls are cats photos and games — but they won't read the things that may change their bias. What are your suggestions to motivate such people?
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Second thing. Never underestimate the power of a cute :cat: !
- The "Cute Cat Theory" if internet dissidents is no joke! This is widely believed to be true — the tools just for political dissent is ignored, but if you can transmit cute :cat2: on the channel — it's a huge advantage. :dog: :dog2:
+ The "Cute Cat Theory" io internet dissidents is no joke! This is widely believed to be true — the tools designedjust for political dissent iwill beignored, but if you can transmit cute :cat2: on the samechannel — it's a huge advantage. :dog: :dog2:
- Anthropologist Addition: In mainland china, the street art of political web. When 陳光誠 was arrested people put on sunglasses and staged CGC/KFC art images, which are harder to censor than words — don't underestimate the ability of ART! [see this amazing book about creative activism: http://beautifultrouble.org/]
+ Anthropologist Addition: In mainland China, the street art of political web. When 陳光誠 was arrested people put on sunglasses and staged CGC/KFC art images, which are harder to censor than words — don't underestimate the ability of ART! [see this amazing book about creative activism: http://beautifultrouble.org/]
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- Last thing: If you are talking to people who don't agree with you — middle-aged people — Don't ask yourself how to get them to believe everything you believe — Ask if you can get them to believe anything you believe. Try to get across one thing. You are not one crazy marginal figure — get them be willing to listen to you because you said one sensible thing. If you can say one thing that makes sense — like income inequality — get the one thing through and work with that.
+ Last thing: If you are talking to people who don't agree with you — say, middle-aged people — Don't ask yourself how to get them to believe everything you believe — Ask if you can get them to believe anything you believe. Try to get across one thing, so you are not one crazy marginal figure — get them willing to listen to you because you said one sensible thing. If you can say one thing that makes sense — like Occupy Wall Street's message about income inequality — get the one thing through and work with that.
CL: One more Q...
- Q: Do you think the gov can be operated in a modular way instead of a hierarchical system? Should the affairs in gov encourage people to participate in the governance in small ways?
+ Q: Do you think the government can be operated in a modular way instead of a hierarchical system? Should the affairs in government encourage people to participate in the governance in small ways?
- A: Given the logic of at least democratic government, any form of citizen participation raises the social capital. Over and again when people study disasters, it makes a place resilient is that whether people before the tsunami etc know each other. It's not whether gov or sirens — those thing are important — but the vital thing is whether people know and trust each other. Any kind of participation is valuable for that.
+ A: Given the logic of at least democratic governments, any form of citizen participation raises the social capital. Over and again when people study disasters, what makes a place resilient is whether people before the tsunami etc knew each other. It's not what government does or sirens — those thing are important — but the vital thing is whether people know and trust each other. Any kind of participation is valuable for that.
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+ CL: I'd like to close this opening with a saying of Clay's: The most important thing with a hackathon is not the production, but the social capital that we produce.
+ We'll separate in 5 rooms, so please write-in the topics you'd like to work on or discuss. It's not about presentation, but actually starting conversations by participants interested. Hackfoldr has the hackpad for each room and we'd like to ask volunteers to keep notes.
+ There's food outside — please have food outside, not in this room — so feel free to come to the whiteboard and pitch in, and note the language of your preference.
+ So, food and planning time!
+ [[PA: The TutorABC booths has surveys for people who had experience with their equipments of interpretation yesterday.]]
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A: Given the logic of at least democratic government, any form of citizen participation raises the social capital. Over and again when people study disasters, it makes a place resilient is that whether people before the tsunami etc know each other. It's not whether gov or sirens — those thing are important — but the vital thing is whether people know and trust each other. Any kind of participation is valuable for that.
- I understand the concept of 關係, and that's what matters, sayd Clay.
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+ Anthropologist Addition: In mainland china, the street art of political web. When 陳光誠 was arrested people put on sunglasses and staged CGC/KFC art images, which are harder to censor than words — don't underestimate the ability of ART! [see this amazing book about creative activi
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- I understand the concept of 關係, and that's what matters, sayd
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- Anthropologist Addition: In mainland china, the street art of political web. When 陳光誠 was arrested people put on sunglasses and staged CGC/KFC art images, which are harder to censor than words — don't underestimate the ability of ART! [see this amazing book abotu cre
+ Anthropologist Addition: In mainland china, the street art of political web. When 陳光誠 was arrested people put on sunglasses and staged CGC/KFC art images, which are harder to censor than words — don't underestimate the ability of ART! [see this amazing book abotu a
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- I understand the concept of 關係, and that's what matters
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+ Anthropologist Addition: In mainland china, the street art of political web. When 陳光誠 was arrested people put on sunglasses and staged CGC/KFC art images, which are harder to censor than words — don't underestimate the ability of ART! [see this amazing book abotu cre
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A: Given the logic of at least democratic government, any form of citizen participation raises the social capital. Over and again when people study disasters, it makes a place resilient is that whether people before the tsunami etc know each other. It's not whether gov or sirens — those thing are important — but the vital thing is whether people know and trust each other. Any kind of participation is valuable for that.
- I understand the concept of 關係, and that's what mat
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- Anthropologist Addition: In mainland china, the street art of political web. When 陳光誠 was arrested people put on sunglasses and staged CGC/KFC art images, which are harder to censor than words — don't underestimate the ability of ART! [see this amazing b
+ Anthropologist Addition: In mainland china, the street art of political web. When 陳光誠 was arrested people put on sunglasses and staged CGC/KFC art images, which are harder to censor than words — don't underestimate the ability of ART! [see this amazing book abotu
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A: Given the logic of at least democratic government, any form of citizen participation raises the social capital. Over and again when people study disasters, it makes a place resilient is that whether people before the tsunami etc know each other. It's not whether gov or sirens — those thing are important — but the vital thing is whether people know and trust each other. Any kind of participation is valuable for that.
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- Anthropologist Addition: In mainland china, the street art of political web. When 陳光誠 was arrested people put on sunglasses and staged CGC/KFC art images, which are harder to censor than words — don't underestimate the ability of ART! [see this amazing
+ Anthropologist Addition: In mainland china, the street art of political web. When 陳光誠 was arrested people put on sunglasses and staged CGC/KFC art images, which are harder to censor than words — don't underestimate the ability of ART! [see this amazing b
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- I understand the concept of 關係, and tha
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- Anthropologist Addition: In mainland china, the street art of political web. When 陳光誠 was arrested people put on sunglasses and staged CGC/KFC art images, which are harder to censor than words — don't underestimate the ability of ART! [see this amaz
+ Anthropologist Addition: In mainland china, the street art of political web. When 陳光誠 was arrested people put on sunglasses and staged CGC/KFC art images, which are harder to censor than words — don't underestimate the ability of ART! [see this amazing
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A: Given the logic of at least democratic government, any form of citizen participation raises the social capital. Over and again when people study disasters, it makes a place resilient is that whether people before the tsunami etc know each other. It's not whether gov or sirens — those thing are important — but the vital thing is whether people know and trust each other. Any kind of participation is valuable for that.
- I understand the concept of 關係,
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- Anthropologist Addition: In mainland china, the street art of political web. When 陳光誠 was arrested people put on sunglasses and staged CGC/KFC art images, which are harder to censor than words — don't underestimate the ability of ART! [see this ama
+ Anthropologist Addition: In mainland china, the street art of political web. When 陳光誠 was arrested people put on sunglasses and staged CGC/KFC art images, which are harder to censor than words — don't underestimate the ability of ART! [see this amaz
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- I understand the concept of 關係.
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- Anthropologist Addition: In mainland china, the street art of political web. When 陳光誠 was arrested people put on sunglasses and staged CGC/KFC art images, which are harder to censor than words — don't underestimate the ability of ART! [see thi
+ Anthropologist Addition: In mainland china, the street art of political web. When 陳光誠 was arrested people put on sunglasses and staged CGC/KFC art images, which are harder to censor than words — don't underestimate the ability of ART! [see this ama
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A: Given the logic of at least democratic government, any form of citizen participation raises the social capital. Over and again when people study disasters, it makes a place resilient is that whether people before the tsunami etc know each other. It's not whether gov or sirens — those thing are important — but the vital thing is whether people know and trust each other. Any kind of participation is valuable for that.
- I understand the concept of 關係
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- Anthropologist Addition: In mainland china, the street art of political web. When 陳光誠 was arrested people put on sunglasses and staged CGC/KFC art images, which are harder to censor than words — don't underestimate the ability of ART! [se
+ Anthropologist Addition: In mainland china, the street art of political web. When 陳光誠 was arrested people put on sunglasses and staged CGC/KFC art images, which are harder to censor than words — don't underestimate the ability of ART! [see thi
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A: Given the logic of at least democratic government, any form of citizen participation raises the social capital. Over and again when people study disasters, it makes a place resilient is that whether people before the tsunami etc know each other. It's not whether gov or sirens — those thing are important — but the vital thing is whether people know and trust each other. Any kind of participation is valuable for that.
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- Anthropologist Addition: In mainland china, the street art of political web. When 陳光誠 was arrested people put on sunglasses and staged CGC/KFC art images, which are harder to censor than words — don't underestimate the ability of ART! [s
+ Anthropologist Addition: In mainland china, the street art of political web. When 陳光誠 was arrested people put on sunglasses and staged CGC/KFC art images, which are harder to censor than words — don't underestimate the ability of ART! [se
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A: Given the logic of at least democratic government, any form of citizen participation raises the social capital. Over and again when people study disasters, it makes a place resilient is that whether people before the tsunami etc know each other. It's not whether gov or sirens — those thing are important — but the vital thing is whether people know and trust each other. Any kind of participation is valuable for that.
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- Anthropologist Addition: In mainland china, the street art of political web. When 陳光誠 was arrested people put on sunglasses and staged CGC/KFC art images, which are harder to censor than words — don't underestimate the ability of ART! [
+ Anthropologist Addition: In mainland china, the street art of political web. When 陳光誠 was arrested people put on sunglasses and staged CGC/KFC art images, which are harder to censor than words — don't underestimate the ability of ART! [s
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- Anthropologist Addition: In mainland china, the street art of political web. When 陳光誠 was arrested people put on sunglasses and staged CGC/KFC art images, which are harder to censor than words — don't underestimate the ability of ART!
+ Anthropologist Addition: In mainland china, the street art of political web. When 陳光誠 was arrested people put on sunglasses and staged CGC/KFC art images, which are harder to censor than words — don't underestimate the ability of ART! [
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Q: Do you think the gov can be operated in a modular way instead of a hierarchical system? Should the affairs in gov encourage people to participate in the governance in small ways?
- A: Given the logic of at least democratic government, any form of citizen participation raises the social capital. Over and again when people study disasters, it makes a place resilient is that whether people before the tsunami etc know each other. It's not whether gov
+ A: Given the logic of at least democratic government, any form of citizen participation raises the social capital. Over and again when people study disasters, it makes a place resilient is that whether people before the tsunami etc know each other. It's not whether gov or sirens — those thing are important — but the vital thing is whether people know and trust each other. Any kind of participation is valuable for that.
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So in multiethncicgroups. we have to create a'rtificially 'increase dsocial capital in the context of multi-ethnic groups. It's also daunting that the two groups who do best with racial integration is Mliltary and Sport teams, because have have clear objectsves and identifieble enemy. It's difficult, but possible, and picking up is something we have to do.
- GitHub is great. I love that they are called "commits" — If you are not "committing" I'm not interested. .
+ GitHub is great. I love that they are called "commits" — If you are not "committing" I'm not interested.
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Argument on Github is also issues. Code issues vs Political issues is testabiliy and focus. I agree what you're saying. Iranian is the June uprising.
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Q: Do you think the gov can be operated in a modular way instead of a hierarchical system? Should the affairs in gov encourage people to participate in the governance in small ways?
- A: Given the logic of at least democratic government, any form of citizen participation raises the social capital. Over and again when people study disasters, it makes a place resilient is that whether people before the tsunami etc know each other. It's not whether
+ A: Given the logic of at least democratic government, any form of citizen participation raises the social capital. Over and again when people study disasters, it makes a place resilient is that whether people before the tsunami etc know each other. It's not whether gov
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GitHub is great. I love that they are called "commits" — If you are not "committing" I'm not interested. .
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Q: Do you think the gov can be operated in a modular way instead of a hierarchical system? Should the affairs in gov encourage people to participate in the governance in small ways?
- A: Given the logic of at least democratic government, any form of citizen participation raises the social capital. Over and again when people study disasters, it makes a place resilient is that whet
+ A: Given the logic of at least democratic government, any form of citizen participation raises the social capital. Over and again when people study disasters, it makes a place resilient is that whether people before the tsunami etc know each other. It's not whether
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Clay: This is simplified diagram. Culture is key. Modularity is a key thing, where I trust the group to do the things over there. But I think the Q of culture is a huge dilemma for us in the US around the movements, is daunting for any liberal people. It's more difficult in a racially diverse groups. IT's like the worst news for us. In a community who's diversified, the consensus rate goes down.
- So in multiethncicgroups. we have to create a'rtificially 'increase dsocial capital in the context of multi-ethnic groups. It's also daunting that the two groups who do best with racial integration is Mliltary and Sport teams, because have have clear objectsves and identifieable enemy. It's difficult, but possible, and picking up is something we have to do.
+ So in multiethncicgroups. we have to create a'rtificially 'increase dsocial capital in the context of multi-ethnic groups. It's also daunting that the two groups who do best with racial integration is Mliltary and Sport teams, because have have clear objectsves and identifieble enemy. It's difficult, but possible, and picking up is something we have to do.
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- A: Given the logic of at least democratic government, any form of citizen participation raises the social capital. Over and again when people study disasters, it makes a place resilient
+ A: Given the logic of at least democratic government, any form of citizen participation raises the social capital. Over and again when people study disasters, it makes a place resilient is that whet
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Clay: This is simplified diagram. Culture is key. Modularity is a key thing, where I trust the group to do the things over there. But I think the Q of culture is a huge dilemma for us in the US around the movements, is daunting for any liberal people. It's more difficult in a racially diverse groups. IT's like the worst news for us. In a community who's diversified, the consensus rate goes down.
- So in multiethncicgroups. we have to create a'rtificially 'increase dsocial capital in the context of multi-ethnic groups. It's also daunting that the two groups who do best with racial integration is Mliltary and Sport teams, because have have clear objectsives and identifieable enemy. It's difficult, but possible, and picking up is something we have to do.
+ So in multiethncicgroups. we have to create a'rtificially 'increase dsocial capital in the context of multi-ethnic groups. It's also daunting that the two groups who do best with racial integration is Mliltary and Sport teams, because have have clear objectsves and identifieable enemy. It's difficult, but possible, and picking up is something we have to do.
GitHub is great. I love that they are called "commits" — If you are not "committing" I'm not interested. .
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- A: Given the logic of at least democratic government, any form of citizen participation raises the social capital. Over
+ A: Given the logic of at least democratic government, any form of citizen participation raises the social capital. Over and again when people study disasters, it makes a place resilient
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Clay: This is simplified diagram. Culture is key. Modularity is a key thing, where I trust the group to do the things over there. But I think the Q of culture is a huge dilemma for us in the US around the movements, is daunting for any liberal people. It's more difficult in a racially diverse groups. IT's like the worst news for us. In a community who's diversified, the consensus rate goes down.
- So in multiethncicgroups. we have to create a'rtificially increase dsocial capital in the context of multi-ethnic groups. It's also daunting that the two groups who do best with racial integration is Mliltary and Sport teams, because have have clear objectsives and identifieable enemy. It's difficult, but possible, and picking up is something we have to do.
+ So in multiethncicgroups. we have to create a'rtificially 'increase dsocial capital in the context of multi-ethnic groups. It's also daunting that the two groups who do best with racial integration is Mliltary and Sport teams, because have have clear objectsives and identifieable enemy. It's difficult, but possible, and picking up is something we have to do.
GitHub is great. I love that they are called "commits" — If you are not "committing" I'm not interested. .
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Clay: This is simplified diagram. Culture is key. Modularity is a key thing, where I trust the group to do the things over there. But I think the Q of culture is a huge dilemma for us in the US around the movements, is daunting for any liberal people. It's more difficult in a racially diverse groups. IT's like the worst news for us. In a community who's diversified, the consensus rate goes down.
- So in multiethncicgroups. we have to create artificially increase dsocial capital in the context of multi-ethnic groups. It's also daunting that the two groups who do best with racial integration is Mliltary and Sport teams, because have have clear objectsives and identifieable enemy. It's difficult, but possible, and picking up is something we have to do.
+ So in multiethncicgroups. we have to create a'rtificially increase dsocial capital in the context of multi-ethnic groups. It's also daunting that the two groups who do best with racial integration is Mliltary and Sport teams, because have have clear objectsives and identifieable enemy. It's difficult, but possible, and picking up is something we have to do.
GitHub is great. I love that they are called "commits" — If you are not "committing" I'm not interested. .
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+ A: Given the logic of at least democratic government, any form of citizen participation raises the social capita
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Clay: This is simplified diagram. Culture is key. Modularity is a key thing, where I trust the group to do the things over there. But I think the Q of culture is a huge dilemma for us in the US around the movements, is daunting for any liberal people. It's more difficult in a racially diverse groups. IT's like the worst news for us. In a community who's diversified, the consensus rate goes down.
- So in multiethncicgroups. we have to create artificially increase social capital in the context of multi-ethnic groups. It's also daunting that the two groups who do best with racial integration is Mliltary and Sport teams, because have have clear objectsives and identifieable enemy. It's difficult, but possible, and picking up is something we have to do.
+ So in multiethncicgroups. we have to create artificially increase dsocial capital in the context of multi-ethnic groups. It's also daunting that the two groups who do best with racial integration is Mliltary and Sport teams, because have have clear objectsives and identifieable enemy. It's difficult, but possible, and picking up is something we have to do.
GitHub is great. I love that they are called "commits" — If you are not "committing" I'm not interested. .
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Clay: This is simplified diagram. Culture is key. Modularity is a key thing, where I trust the group to do the things over there. But I think the Q of culture is a huge dilemma for us in the US around the movements, is daunting for any liberal people. It's more difficult in a racially diverse groups. IT's like the worst news for us. In a community who's diversified, the consensus rate goes down.
- So in multiethncigroups. we have to create artificially increase social capital in the context of multi-ethnic groups. It's also daunting that the two groups who do best with racial integration is Mliltary and Sport teams, because have have clear objectsives and identifieable enemy. It's difficult, but possible, and picking up is something we have to do.
+ So in multiethncicgroups. we have to create artificially increase social capital in the context of multi-ethnic groups. It's also daunting that the two groups who do best with racial integration is Mliltary and Sport teams, because have have clear objectsives and identifieable enemy. It's difficult, but possible, and picking up is something we have to do.
GitHub is great. I love that they are called "commits" — If you are not "committing" I'm not interested. .
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Q: Do you think the gov can be operated in a modular way instead of a hierarchical system? Should the affairs in gov encourage people to participate in the governance in small ways?
- A: Given the logic of at least democratic government, any form of citiz
+ A: Given the logic of at least democratic government, any form of citizen
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Clay: This is simplified diagram. Culture is key. Modularity is a key thing, where I trust the group to do the things over there. But I think the Q of culture is a huge dilemma for us in the US around the movements, is daunting for any liberal people. It's more difficult in a racially diverse groups. IT's like the worst news for us. In a community who's diversified, the consensus rate goes down.
- So in multiethnci groups. we have to create artificially increase social capital in the context of multi-ethnic groups. It's also daunting that the two groups who do best with racial integration is Mliltary and Sport teams, because have have clear objectsives and identifieable enemy. It's difficult, but possible, and picking up is something we have to do.
+ So in multiethncigroups. we have to create artificially increase social capital in the context of multi-ethnic groups. It's also daunting that the two groups who do best with racial integration is Mliltary and Sport teams, because have have clear objectsives and identifieable enemy. It's difficult, but possible, and picking up is something we have to do.
GitHub is great. I love that they are called "commits" — If you are not "committing" I'm not interested. .
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Q: Do you think the gov can be operated in a modular way instead of a hierarchical system? Should the affairs in gov encourage people to participate in the governance in small ways?
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*With the diagram here. The individual people the dots represent. They can choose how to behave. They have different sort of cultural expectation of negotiation. They are not interchangeable parts. So two groups of five are difference.
the loomio vision is to teach people how to recognize the density, and the personal needs in relationship to the group's needs.
- 16 members in Loomio already, but we're functinoning really effectively, because we put in the effort in how you operate, and developing the ways o scale but looking into the needs of each other, instead of being ego-centric.
+ 16 members in Loomio already, but we're functinoning really effectively, because we put in the effort in how you operate, and developing the ways ot scale but looking into the needs of each other, instead of being ego-centric.
Clay: This is simplified diagram. Culture is key. Modularity is a key thing, where I trust the group to do the things over there. But I think the Q of culture is a huge dilemma for us in the US around the movements, is daunting for any liberal people. It's more difficult in a racially diverse groups. IT's like the worst news for us. In a community who's diversified, the consensus rate goes down.
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CL: One more Q...
- Q: Do you think the gov can be operated in a modular way instead of a hierarchical system? Should the affairs i
+ Q: Do you think the gov can be operated in a modular way instead of a hierarchical system? Should the affairs in gov encourage people to participate in the governance in small ways?
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Q from Rich:
*Arguments on github. that's disagreement by contribution. Instead of just saying n,o say "how about this instead." I think it's a key component, the alternative part.
- *With the diagram here. The individual people the dots represent. They can choose how to behave. They have different sort of cultural expectation s of negotiation. They are not interchangeable parts. So two groups of five are difference.
+ *With the diagram here. The individual people the dots represent. They can choose how to behave. They have different sort of cultural expectation of negotiation. They are not interchangeable parts. So two groups of five are difference.
the loomio vision is to teach people how to recognize the density, and the personal needs in relationship to the group's needs.
16 members in Loomio already, but we're functinoning really effectively, because we put in the effort in how you operate, and developing the ways o scale but looking into the needs of each other, instead of being ego-centric.
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CL: One more Q...
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Q from Rich:
- *Arguments on github. that's disagreement by contribution. Instead of just saying n, say "how about this instead." I think it's a key component, the alternative part.
+ *Arguments on github. that's disagreement by contribution. Instead of just saying n,o say "how about this instead." I think it's a key component, the alternative part.
*With the diagram here. The individual people the dots represent. They can choose how to behave. They have different sort of cultural expectation s of negotiation. They are not interchangeable parts. So two groups of five are difference.
the loomio vision is to teach people how to recognize the density, and the personal needs in relationship to the group's needs.
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Last thing: If you are talking to people who don't agree with you — middle-aged people — Don't ask yourself how to get them to believe everything you believe — Ask if you can get them to believe anything you believe. Try to get across one thing. You are not one crazy marginal figure — get them be willing to listen to you because you said one sensible thing. If you can say one thing that makes sense — like income inequality — get the one thing through and work with that.
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+ CL: One more Q...
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My friend pMarianne Manilov ointed out: A purely action-motivated movement can keep a year but peters out. Does the movement give a substantial time to take care of each other, is the key to going on.
- “Taking care of each other” in the US is a radical idea. SStrike Debt andOOccupy Sandy(re the examples of success that focus on these kinds of models.: the intersection between politics and caretaking (the Spanish concept is 'politica affectiva' - a politics of social relationships )
+ “Taking care of each other” in the US is a radical idea. SStrike Debt andOOccupy Sandy(re the examples of success that focus on these kinds of models.: the intersection between politics and caretaking (the Spanish concept is 'politica affectiva' - a politics of social relationships and love)
In the spirit of unconference and looking for ways to make progress, I’d say one of the persistent issues dated from the Iranian uprising, is that short term uprising is incredibly available now, but hashing out long-term commitment and communication is still week.
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Last thing: If you are talking to people who don't agree with you — middle-aged people — Don't ask yourself how to get them to believe everything you believe — Ask if you can get them to believe anything you believe. Try to get across one thing. You are not one crazy marginal figure — get them be willing to listen to you because you said one sensible thing. If you can say one thing that makes sense — like income inequality — get the one thing through and work with that.
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My friend pMarianne Manilov ointed out: A purely action-motivated movement can keep a year but peters out. Does the movement give a substantial time to take care of each other, is the key to going on.
- “Taking care of each other” in the US is a radical idea. SStrike Debt andOOccupy Sandy(re the examples of success that focus on these kinds of models.: the intersection between politics and caretaking (the Spanish concept is 'politica affectiva' - a politics of social relationshiu)
+ “Taking care of each other” in the US is a radical idea. SStrike Debt andOOccupy Sandy(re the examples of success that focus on these kinds of models.: the intersection between politics and caretaking (the Spanish concept is 'politica affectiva' - a politics of social relationships )
In the spirit of unconference and looking for ways to make progress, I’d say one of the persistent issues dated from the Iranian uprising, is that short term uprising is incredibly available now, but hashing out long-term commitment and communication is still week.
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Last thing: If you are talking to people who don't agree with you — middle-aged people — Don't ask yourself how to get them to believe everything you believe — Ask if you can get them to believe anything you believe. Try to get across one thing. You are not one crazy marginal figure — get them be willing to listen to you because you said one sensible thing. If you can say one thing that makes sense — like income inequality — get the one thing through and work with that.
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My friend pMarianne Manilov ointed out: A purely action-motivated movement can keep a year but peters out. Does the movement give a substantial time to take care of each other, is the key to going on.
- “Taking care of each other” in the US is a radical idea. SStrike Debt andOOccupy Sandy(re the examples of success that focus on these kinds of models.: the intersection between politics and caretaking
+ “Taking care of each other” in the US is a radical idea. SStrike Debt andOOccupy Sandy(re the examples of success that focus on these kinds of models.: the intersection between politics and caretaking (the Spanish concept is 'politica affectiva' - a politics of social relationshiu)
In the spirit of unconference and looking for ways to make progress, I’d say one of the persistent issues dated from the Iranian uprising, is that short term uprising is incredibly available now, but hashing out long-term commitment and communication is still week.
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- Last thing: If you are talking to people who don't agree with you — middle-aged people — Don't ask yourself how to get them to believe everything y believe — Ask if you can get them to believe anything you believe. Try to get across one thing. You are not one crazy marginal figure — get them be willing to listen to you because you said one sensible thing. If you can say one thing that makes sense — like income inequality — get the one thing through and work with that.
+ Last thing: If you are talking to people who don't agree with you — middle-aged people — Don't ask yourself how to get them to believe everything you believe — Ask if you can get them to believe anything you believe. Try to get across one thing. You are not one crazy marginal figure — get them be willing to listen to you because you said one sensible thing. If you can say one thing that makes sense — like income inequality — get the one thing through and work with that.
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My friend pMarianne Manilov ointed out: A purely action-motivated movement can keep a year but peters out. Does the movement give a substantial time to take care of each other, is the key to going on.
- “Taking care of each other” in the US is a radical idea. SStrike Debt andOOccupy Sandy(re the examples of success that focus on these kinds of models.: the intersection between politics and caret
+ “Taking care of each other” in the US is a radical idea. SStrike Debt andOOccupy Sandy(re the examples of success that focus on these kinds of models.: the intersection between politics and caretaking
In the spirit of unconference and looking for ways to make progress, I’d say one of the persistent issues dated from the Iranian uprising, is that short term uprising is incredibly available now, but hashing out long-term commitment and communication is still week.
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- Last thing: If you are talking to people who don't agree with you — middle-aged people — Don't ask yourself how to get them to believe everything believe — Ask if you can get them to believe anything you believe. Try to get across one thing. You are not one crazy marginal figure — get them be willing to listen to you because you said one sensible thing. If you can say one thing that makes sense — like income inequality — get the one thing through and work with that.
+ Last thing: If you are talking to people who don't agree with you — middle-aged people — Don't ask yourself how to get them to believe everything y believe — Ask if you can get them to believe anything you believe. Try to get across one thing. You are not one crazy marginal figure — get them be willing to listen to you because you said one sensible thing. If you can say one thing that makes sense — like income inequality — get the one thing through and work with that.
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My friend pMarianne Manilov ointed out: A purely action-motivated movement can keep a year but peters out. Does the movement give a substantial time to take care of each other, is the key to going on.
- “Taking care of each other” in the US is a radical idea. SStrike Debt andOOccupy Sandy(re the examples of success that focus on these kinds of models.: the intersection between politics and c
+ “Taking care of each other” in the US is a radical idea. SStrike Debt andOOccupy Sandy(re the examples of success that focus on these kinds of models.: the intersection between politics and caret
In the spirit of unconference and looking for ways to make progress, I’d say one of the persistent issues dated from the Iranian uprising, is that short term uprising is incredibly available now, but hashing out long-term commitment and communication is still week.
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- Last thing: If you are talking to people who don't agree with you — middle-aged people — Don't ask yourself how to get them to believe everything I believe — Ask if you can get them to believe anything you believe. Try to get across one thing. You are not one crazy marginal figure — get them be willing to listen to you because you said one sensible thing. If you can say one thing that makes sense — like income inequality — get the one thing through and work with that.
+ Last thing: If you are talking to people who don't agree with you — middle-aged people — Don't ask yourself how to get them to believe everything believe — Ask if you can get them to believe anything you believe. Try to get across one thing. You are not one crazy marginal figure — get them be willing to listen to you because you said one sensible thing. If you can say one thing that makes sense — like income inequality — get the one thing through and work with that.
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My friend pMarianne Manilov ointed out: A purely action-motivated movement can keep a year but peters out. Does the movement give a substantial time to take care of each other, is the key to going on.
- “Taking care of each other” in the US is a radical idea. SStrike Debt andOOccupy Sandy(?) are the examples of success that focus on these kinds of models.
+ “Taking care of each other” in the US is a radical idea. SStrike Debt andOOccupy Sandy(re the examples of success that focus on these kinds of models.: the intersection between politics and c
In the spirit of unconference and looking for ways to make progress, I’d say one of the persistent issues dated from the Iranian uprising, is that short term uprising is incredibly available now, but hashing out long-term commitment and communication is still week.
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- Last thing: If you are talking to people who don't agree with you — middle-aged people — Don't ask yourself how to get them to believe everything I believe — Ask if you can get them to believe anything you believe.across one thing. You are not one crazy marginal figure — get them be willing to listen to you because you said one sensible thing. If you can say one thing that makes sense — like income inequality — get the one thing through and work with that.
+ Last thing: If you are talking to people who don't agree with you — middle-aged people — Don't ask yourself how to get them to believe everything I believe — Ask if you can get them to believe anything you believe. Try to get across one thing. You are not one crazy marginal figure — get them be willing to listen to you because you said one sensible thing. If you can say one thing that makes sense — like income inequality — get the one thing through and work with that.
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My friend pMarianne Manilov ointed out: A purely action-motivated movement can keep a year but peters out. Does the movement give a substantial time to take care of each other, is the key to going on.
- “Taking care of each other” in the US is a radical idea. SStrike Debt andOccupy Sandy (?) are the examples of success that focus on these kinds of models.
+ “Taking care of each other” in the US is a radical idea. SStrike Debt andOOccupy Sandy(?) are the examples of success that focus on these kinds of models.
In the spirit of unconference and looking for ways to make progress, I’d say one of the persistent issues dated from the Iranian uprising, is that short term uprising is incredibly available now, but hashing out long-term commitment and communication is still week.
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- Last thing: If you are talking to people who don't agree with you — middle-aged people — Don't ask yourself how to get them to believe everything I believe — Ask if you can get them to believe anythingacross one thing. You are not one crazy marginal figure — get them be willing to listen to you because you said one sensible thing. If you can say one thing that makes sense — like income inequality — get the one thing through and work with that.
+ Last thing: If you are talking to people who don't agree with you — middle-aged people — Don't ask yourself how to get them to believe everything I believe — Ask if you can get them to believe anything you believe.across one thing. You are not one crazy marginal figure — get them be willing to listen to you because you said one sensible thing. If you can say one thing that makes sense — like income inequality — get the one thing through and work with that.
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Anthropologist Addition: In mainland china, the street art of political web. When 陳光誠 was arrested people put on sunglasses and staged CGC/KFC art images, which are harder to censor than words — don't underestimate the ability of ART!
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+ *
Last thing: If you are talking to people who don't agree with you — middle-aged people — Don't ask yourself how to get them to believe everything I believe — Ask if you can get them to believe anythingacross one thing. You are not one crazy marginal figure — get them be willing to listen to you because you said one sensible thing. If you can say one thing that makes sense — like income inequality — get the one thing through and work with that.
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- Last thing: If you are talking to people who don't agree with you — middle-aged people — Don't ask yourself how to get them to believe everything I believe — Ask if you can get across one thing. You are not one crazy marginal figure — get them be willing to listen to you because you said one sensible thing. If you can say one thing that makes sense — like income inequality — get the one thing through and work with that.
+ Last thing: If you are talking to people who don't agree with you — middle-aged people — Don't ask yourself how to get them to believe everything I believe — Ask if you can get them to believe anythingacross one thing. You are not one crazy marginal figure — get them be willing to listen to you because you said one sensible thing. If you can say one thing that makes sense — like income inequality — get the one thing through and work with that.
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My friend pMarianne Manilov ointed out: A purely action-motivated movement can keep a year but peters out. Does the movement give a substantial time to take care of each other, is the key to going on.
- “Taking care of each other” in the US is a radical idea. SStrike Debt aOccupy Sandy (?) are the examples of success that focus on these kinds of models.
+ “Taking care of each other” in the US is a radical idea. SStrike Debt andOccupy Sandy (?) are the examples of success that focus on these kinds of models.
In the spirit of unconference and looking for ways to make progress, I’d say one of the persistent issues dated from the Iranian uprising, is that short term uprising is incredibly available now, but hashing out long-term commitment and communication is still week.
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Anthropologist Addition: In mainland china, the street art of political web. When 陳光誠 was arrested people put on sunglasses and staged CGC/KFC art images, which are harder to censor than words — don't underestimate the ability of ART!
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Last thing: If you are talking to people who don't agree with you — middle-aged people — Don't ask yourself how to get them to believe everything I believe — Ask if you can get across one thing. You are not one crazy marginal figure — get them be willing to listen to you because you said one sensible thing. If you can say one thing that makes sense — like income inequality — get the one thing through and work with that.
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My friend pMarianne Manilov ointed out: A purely action-motivated movement can keep a year but peters out. Does the movement give a substantial time to take care of each other, is the key to going on.
- “Taking care of each other” in the US is a radical idea. SStrike Debt Occupy Sandy (?) are the examples of success that focus on these kinds of models.
+ “Taking care of each other” in the US is a radical idea. SStrike Debt aOccupy Sandy (?) are the examples of success that focus on these kinds of models.
In the spirit of unconference and looking for ways to make progress, I’d say one of the persistent issues dated from the Iranian uprising, is that short term uprising is incredibly available now, but hashing out long-term commitment and communication is still week.
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Anthropologist Addition: In mainland china, the street art of political web. When 陳光誠 was arrested people put on sunglasses and staged CGC/KFC art images, which are harder to censor than words — don't underestimate the ability of ART!
- Last thing: If you are talking to people who don't agree with you — middle-aged people — Don't ask yourself how to get them to believe everything I believe — Ask if you can get across one thing. You are not one crazy marginal figure — get them be willing to listen to you because you said one sensible thing. If you can say one thing that makes sense — like income inequality — get the one thing through and work with th
+ Last thing: If you are talking to people who don't agree with you — middle-aged people — Don't ask yourself how to get them to believe everything I believe — Ask if you can get across one thing. You are not one crazy marginal figure — get them be willing to listen to you because you said one sensible thing. If you can say one thing that makes sense — like income inequality — get the one thing through and work with that.
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My friend pMarianne Manilov ointed out: A purely action-motivated movement can keep a year but peters out. Does the movement give a substantial time to take care of each other, is the key to going on.
- “Taking care of each other” in the US is a radical idea. Strike Daebt Occupy Sandy (?) are the examples of success that focus on these kinds of models.
+ “Taking care of each other” in the US is a radical idea. SStrike Debt Occupy Sandy (?) are the examples of success that focus on these kinds of models.
In the spirit of unconference and looking for ways to make progress, I’d say one of the persistent issues dated from the Iranian uprising, is that short term uprising is incredibly available now, but hashing out long-term commitment and communication is still week.
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Anthropologist Addition: In mainland china, the street art of political web. When 陳光誠 was arrested people put on sunglasses and staged CGC/KFC art images, which are harder to censor than words — don't underestimate the ability of ART!
- Last thing: If you are talking to people who don't agree with you — middle-aged people — Don't ask yourself how to get them to believe everything I believe — Ask if you can get across one thing. You are not one crazy marginal figure — get them be willing to listen to you because you said one sensible thing. If you can say one thing that makes
+ Last thing: If you are talking to people who don't agree with you — middle-aged people — Don't ask yourself how to get them to believe everything I believe — Ask if you can get across one thing. You are not one crazy marginal figure — get them be willing to listen to you because you said one sensible thing. If you can say one thing that makes sense — like income inequality — get the one thing through and work with th
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Anthropologist Addition: In mainland china, the street art of political web. When 陳光誠 was arrested people put on sunglasses and staged CGC/KFC art images, which are harder to censor than words — don't underestimate the ability of ART!
- Last thing: If you are talking to people who don't agree with you — middle-aged people — Don't ask yourself how to get them to believe every thing I believe — Ask if you can get across one thing. You are not one crazy marginal figure — get them be willing to listen to you because you said one sensible thing. If you can say one thing that makes
+ Last thing: If you are talking to people who don't agree with you — middle-aged people — Don't ask yourself how to get them to believe everything I believe — Ask if you can get across one thing. You are not one crazy marginal figure — get them be willing to listen to you because you said one sensible thing. If you can say one thing that makes
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Anthropologist Addition: In mainland china, the street art of political web. When 陳光誠 was arrested people put on sunglasses and staged CGC/KFC art images, which are harder to censor than words — don't underestimate the ability of ART!
- Last thing: If you are talking to people who don't agree with you — middle-aged people — Don't ask yourself how to get them to believe every thing I believe — Ask if you can get across one thing. You are not one crazy marginal figure — get them be willing to listen to you because you said one sensible thing. If you can say one thin
+ Last thing: If you are talking to people who don't agree with you — middle-aged people — Don't ask yourself how to get them to believe every thing I believe — Ask if you can get across one thing. You are not one crazy marginal figure — get them be willing to listen to you because you said one sensible thing. If you can say one thing that makes
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Anthropologist Addition: In mainland china, the street art of political web. When 陳光誠 was arrested people put on sunglasses and staged CGC/KFC art images, which are harder to censor than words — don't underestimate the ability of ART!
- Last thing: If you are talking to people who don't agree with you — middle-aged people — Don't ask yourself how to get them to believe ever thing I believe — Ask if you can get across one thing. You are not one crazy marginal figure — get them be willing to listen to you because you said one sensible thing. If you can say one thin
+ Last thing: If you are talking to people who don't agree with you — middle-aged people — Don't ask yourself how to get them to believe every thing I believe — Ask if you can get across one thing. You are not one crazy marginal figure — get them be willing to listen to you because you said one sensible thing. If you can say one thin
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Anthropologist Addition: In mainland china, the street art of political web. When 陳光誠 was arrested people put on sunglasses and staged CGC/KFC art images, which are harder to censor than words — don't underestimate the ability of ART!
- Last thing: If you are talking to people who don't agree with you — middle-aged people — Don't ask yourself how to get them to believe ever thing I believe — Ask if you can get across one thing. You are not one crazy marginal figure — get them be willing to listen to you because you said one sensible thing. If you can say one
+ Last thing: If you are talking to people who don't agree with you — middle-aged people — Don't ask yourself how to get them to believe ever thing I believe — Ask if you can get across one thing. You are not one crazy marginal figure — get them be willing to listen to you because you said one sensible thing. If you can say one thin
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Anthropologist Addition: In mainland china, the street art of political web. When 陳光誠 was arrested people put on sunglasses and staged CGC/KFC art images, which are harder to censor than words — don't underestimate the ability of ART!
- Last thing: If you are talking to people who don't agree with you — middle-aged people — Don't ask yourself how to get them to believe e thing I believe — Ask if you can get across one thing. You are not one crazy marginal figure — get them be willing to listen to you because you said one sensible thing. If you can say one
+ Last thing: If you are talking to people who don't agree with you — middle-aged people — Don't ask yourself how to get them to believe ever thing I believe — Ask if you can get across one thing. You are not one crazy marginal figure — get them be willing to listen to you because you said one sensible thing. If you can say one
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Anthropologist Addition: In mainland china, the street art of political web. When 陳光誠 was arrested people put on sunglasses and staged CGC/KFC art images, which are harder to censor than words — don't underestimate the ability of ART!
- Last thing: If you are talking to people who don't agree with you — middle-aged people — Don't ask yourself how to get them to believe e thing I believe — Ask if you can get across one thing. You are not one crazy marginal figure — get them be willing to listen to you because you said one sensible thing. If you can s
+ Last thing: If you are talking to people who don't agree with you — middle-aged people — Don't ask yourself how to get them to believe e thing I believe — Ask if you can get across one thing. You are not one crazy marginal figure — get them be willing to listen to you because you said one sensible thing. If you can say one
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Anthropologist Addition: In mainland china, the street art of political web. When 陳光誠 was arrested people put on sunglasses and staged CGC/KFC art images, which are harder to censor than words — don't underestimate the ability of ART!
- Last thing: If you are talking to people who don't agree with you — middle-aged people — Don't ask yourself how to get them to believe all thing I believe — Ask if you can get across one thing. You are not one crazy marginal figure — get them be willing to listen to you because you said one sensible thing. If you can s
+ Last thing: If you are talking to people who don't agree with you — middle-aged people — Don't ask yourself how to get them to believe e thing I believe — Ask if you can get across one thing. You are not one crazy marginal figure — get them be willing to listen to you because you said one sensible thing. If you can s
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Anthropologist Addition: In mainland china, the street art of political web. When 陳光誠 was arrested people put on sunglasses and staged CGC/KFC art images, which are harder to censor than words — don't underestimate the ability of ART!
- Last thing: If you are talking to people who don't agree with you — middle-aged people — Don't ask yourself how to get them to believe all thing I believe — Ask if you can get across one thing. You are not one crazy marginal figure — get them be willing to listen to you because you said
+ Last thing: If you are talking to people who don't agree with you — middle-aged people — Don't ask yourself how to get them to believe all thing I believe — Ask if you can get across one thing. You are not one crazy marginal figure — get them be willing to listen to you because you said one sensible thing. If you can s
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My friend pMarianne Manilov ointed out: A purely action-motivated movement can keep a year but peters out. Does the movement give a substantial time to take care of each other, is the key to going on.
- “Taking care of each other” in the US is a radical idea. Strike DaebtOccupy Sandy (?) are the examples of success that focus on these kinds of models.
+ “Taking care of each other” in the US is a radical idea. Strike Daebt Occupy Sandy (?) are the examples of success that focus on these kinds of models.
In the spirit of unconference and looking for ways to make progress, I’d say one of the persistent issues dated from the Iranian uprising, is that short term uprising is incredibly available now, but hashing out long-term commitment and communication is still week.
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Anthropologist Addition: In mainland china, the street art of political web. When 陳光誠 was arrested people put on sunglasses and staged CGC/KFC art images, which are harder to censor than words — don't underestimate the ability of ART!
- Last thing: If you are talking to people who don't agree with you — middle-aged people — Don't ask yourself how to get them to believe all thing I believe — Ask if you can get across one thing. You are not one crazy marginal figure — get them be willing to listen to you b
+ Last thing: If you are talking to people who don't agree with you — middle-aged people — Don't ask yourself how to get them to believe all thing I believe — Ask if you can get across one thing. You are not one crazy marginal figure — get them be willing to listen to you because you said
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My friend pMarianne Manilov ointed out: A purely action-motivated movement can keep a year but peters out. Does the movement give a substantial time to take care of each other, is the key to going on.
- “Taking care of each other” in the US is a radical idea. Strike DaeOccupy Sandy (?) are the examples of success that focus on these kinds of models.
+ “Taking care of each other” in the US is a radical idea. Strike DaebtOccupy Sandy (?) are the examples of success that focus on these kinds of models.
In the spirit of unconference and looking for ways to make progress, I’d say one of the persistent issues dated from the Iranian uprising, is that short term uprising is incredibly available now, but hashing out long-term commitment and communication is still week.
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Anthropologist Addition: In mainland china, the street art of political web. When 陳光誠 was arrested people put on sunglasses and staged CGC/KFC art images, which are harder to censor than words — don't underestimate the ability of ART!
- Last thing: If you are talking to people who don't agree with you — middle-aged people — Don't ask yourself how to get them to believe all thing I believe — Ask if you can get across one thing. You are not one crazy marginal figure — get them be willing to listen to
+ Last thing: If you are talking to people who don't agree with you — middle-aged people — Don't ask yourself how to get them to believe all thing I believe — Ask if you can get across one thing. You are not one crazy marginal figure — get them be willing to listen to you b
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My friend pMarianne Manilov ointed out: A purely action-motivated movement can keep a year but peters out. Does the movement give a substantial time to take care of each other, is the key to going on.
- “Taking care of each other” in the US is a radical idea. Strike DaOccupy Sandy (?) are the examples of success that focus on these kinds of models.
+ “Taking care of each other” in the US is a radical idea. Strike DaeOccupy Sandy (?) are the examples of success that focus on these kinds of models.
In the spirit of unconference and looking for ways to make progress, I’d say one of the persistent issues dated from the Iranian uprising, is that short term uprising is incredibly available now, but hashing out long-term commitment and communication is still week.
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Anthropologist Addition: In mainland china, the street art of political web. When 陳光誠 was arrested people put on sunglasses and staged CGC/KFC art images, which are harder to censor than words — don't underestimate the ability of ART!
- Last thing: If you are talking to people who don't agree with you — middle-aged people — Don't ask yourself how to get them to believe all thing I believe — Ask if you can get across one thing. You are not one crazy marginal figure — get them be willing to lis
+ Last thing: If you are talking to people who don't agree with you — middle-aged people — Don't ask yourself how to get them to believe all thing I believe — Ask if you can get across one thing. You are not one crazy marginal figure — get them be willing to listen to
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My friend pMarianne Manilov ointed out: A purely action-motivated movement can keep a year but peters out. Does the movement give a substantial time to take care of each other, is the key to going on.
- “Taking care of each other” in the US is a radical idea. Strike DadOccupy Sandy (?) are the examples of success that focus on these kinds of models.
+ “Taking care of each other” in the US is a radical idea. Strike DaOccupy Sandy (?) are the examples of success that focus on these kinds of models.
In the spirit of unconference and looking for ways to make progress, I’d say one of the persistent issues dated from the Iranian uprising, is that short term uprising is incredibly available now, but hashing out long-term commitment and communication is still week.
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Anthropologist Addition: In mainland china, the street art of political web. When 陳光誠 was arrested people put on sunglasses and staged CGC/KFC art images, which are harder to censor than words — don't underestimate the ability of ART!
- Last thing: If you are talking to people who don't agree with you — middle-aged people — Don't ask yourself how to get them to believe all thing I believe — Ask if you can get across one thing. You are not one crazy marginal figure — get them be willing t
+ Last thing: If you are talking to people who don't agree with you — middle-aged people — Don't ask yourself how to get them to believe all thing I believe — Ask if you can get across one thing. You are not one crazy marginal figure — get them be willing to lis
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My friend pMarianne Manilov ointed out: A purely action-motivated movement can keep a year but peters out. Does the movement give a substantial time to take care of each other, is the key to going on.
- “Taking care of each other” in the US is a radical idea. Strike Dad(?)Occupy Sandy (?) are the examples of success that focus on these kinds of models.
+ “Taking care of each other” in the US is a radical idea. Strike DadOccupy Sandy (?) are the examples of success that focus on these kinds of models.
In the spirit of unconference and looking for ways to make progress, I’d say one of the persistent issues dated from the Iranian uprising, is that short term uprising is incredibly available now, but hashing out long-term commitment and communication is still week.
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Anthropologist Addition: In mainland china, the street art of political web. When 陳光誠 was arrested people put on sunglasses and staged CGC/KFC art images, which are harder to censor than words — don't underestimate the ability of ART!
- Last thing: If you are talking to people who don't agree with you — middle-aged people — Don't ask yourself how to get them to believe all thing I believe — Ask if you can get across one thing. You are not one crazy marginal figure — get them be wil
+ Last thing: If you are talking to people who don't agree with you — middle-aged people — Don't ask yourself how to get them to believe all thing I believe — Ask if you can get across one thing. You are not one crazy marginal figure — get them be willing t
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My friend pMarianne Manilov ointed out: A purely action-motivated movement can keep a year but peters out. Does the movement give a substantial time to take care of each other, is the key to going on.
- “Taking care of each other” in the US is a radical idea. Strike Dad(?) Occupy Sandy (?) are the examples of success that focus on these kinds of models.
+ “Taking care of each other” in the US is a radical idea. Strike Dad(?)Occupy Sandy (?) are the examples of success that focus on these kinds of models.
In the spirit of unconference and looking for ways to make progress, I’d say one of the persistent issues dated from the Iranian uprising, is that short term uprising is incredibly available now, but hashing out long-term commitment and communication is still week.
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Anthropologist Addition: In mainland china, the street art of political web. When 陳光誠 was arrested people put on sunglasses and staged CGC/KFC art images, which are harder to censor than words — don't underestimate the ability of ART!
- Last thing: If you are talking to people who don't agree with you — middle-aged people — Don't ask yourself how to get them to believe all thi
+ Last thing: If you are talking to people who don't agree with you — middle-aged people — Don't ask yourself how to get them to believe all thing I believe — Ask if you can get across one thing. You are not one crazy marginal figure — get them be wil
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Anthropologist Addition: In mainland china, the street art of political web. When 陳光誠 was arrested people put on sunglasses and staged CGC/KFC art images, which are harder to censor than words — don't underestimate the ability of ART!
- Last thing: If you are talking to people who don't agree with you — middle-aged people — Don't ask yourself how to get t
+ Last thing: If you are talking to people who don't agree with you — middle-aged people — Don't ask yourself how to get them to believe all thi
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So if you’re working on software that makes decision easier, you need to do the emotional piece, otherwise you’re treating people as machine.
- My friend pMariane Manilov ointed out: A purely action-motivated movement can keep a year but peters out. Does the movement give a substantial time to take care of each other, is the key to going on.
+ My friend pMarianne Manilov ointed out: A purely action-motivated movement can keep a year but peters out. Does the movement give a substantial time to take care of each other, is the key to going on.
“Taking care of each other” in the US is a radical idea. Strike Dad(?) Occupy Sandy (?) are the examples of success that focus on these kinds of models.
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Anthropologist Addition: In mainland china, the street art of political web. When 陳光誠 was arrested people put on sunglasses and staged CGC/KFC art images, which are harder to censor than words — don't underestimate the ability of ART!
- Last thing: If you are talking to people who don't agree with you — middle-aged people — Don't ask yourself how t
+ Last thing: If you are talking to people who don't agree with you — middle-aged people — Don't ask yourself how to get t
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Anthropologist Addition: In mainland china, the street art of political web. When 陳光誠 was arrested people put on sunglasses and staged CGC/KFC art images, which are harder to censor than words — don't underestimate the ability of ART!
- Last thing: If you are talking to people who don't agree with you — middle-aged people — Don't ask yourself how
+ Last thing: If you are talking to people who don't agree with you — middle-aged people — Don't ask yourself how t
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So if you’re working on software that makes decision easier, you need to do the emotional piece, otherwise you’re treating people as machine.
- My friend pMarriane Manilov ointed out: A purely action-motivated movement can keep a year but peters out. Does the movement give a substantial time to take care of each other, is the key to going on.
+ My friend pMariane Manilov ointed out: A purely action-motivated movement can keep a year but peters out. Does the movement give a substantial time to take care of each other, is the key to going on.
“Taking care of each other” in the US is a radical idea. Strike Dad(?) Occupy Sandy (?) are the examples of success that focus on these kinds of models.
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Anthropologist Addition: In mainland china, the street art of political web. When 陳光誠 was arrested people put on sunglasses and staged CGC/KFC art images, which are harder to censor than words — don't underestimate the ability of ART!
- Last thi
+ Last thing: If you are talking to people who don't agree with you — middle-aged people — Don't ask yourself how
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So if you’re working on software that makes decision easier, you need to do the emotional piece, otherwise you’re treating people as machine.
- My friend pMarriane Manilovointed out: A purely action-motivated movement can keep a year but peters out. Does the movement give a substantial time to take care of each other, is the key to going on.
+ My friend pMarriane Manilov ointed out: A purely action-motivated movement can keep a year but peters out. Does the movement give a substantial time to take care of each other, is the key to going on.
“Taking care of each other” in the US is a radical idea. Strike Dad(?) Occupy Sandy (?) are the examples of success that focus on these kinds of models.
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Anthropologist Addition: In mainland china, the street art of political web. When 陳光誠 was arrested people put on sunglasses and staged CGC/KFC art images, which are harder to censor than words — don't underestimate the ability of ART!
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So if you’re working on software that makes decision easier, you need to do the emotional piece, otherwise you’re treating people as machine.
- My friend pMarriane Manilointed out: A purely action-motivated movement can keep a year but peters out. Does the movement give a substantial time to take care of each other, is the key to going on.
+ My friend pMarriane Manilovointed out: A purely action-motivated movement can keep a year but peters out. Does the movement give a substantial time to take care of each other, is the key to going on.
“Taking care of each other” in the US is a radical idea. Strike Dad(?) Occupy Sandy (?) are the examples of success that focus on these kinds of models.
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It would be great to get people — scientist, researchers, remote access to data — for years, nothing happens — there’s no third-party programs.
- Early 70s, where Email was ported from MIT, the internet took off. (75% of back
+ Early 70s, where Email was ported from MIT, the internet took off. (75% of backbone traffic within 90 days)
The most significant thing is not code, not data, but the user. We have to have it. Whenever anything new arrives, we overestimate code and data but underestimate people.
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So if you’re working on software that makes decision easier, you need to do the emotional piece, otherwise you’re treating people as machine.
- My friend pointed out: A purely action-motivated movement can keep a year but peters out. Does the movement give a substantial time to take care of each other, is the key to going on.
+ My friend pMarriane Manilointed out: A purely action-motivated movement can keep a year but peters out. Does the movement give a substantial time to take care of each other, is the key to going on.
“Taking care of each other” in the US is a radical idea. Strike Dad(?) Occupy Sandy (?) are the examples of success that focus on these kinds of models.
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- Anthropologist Addition: In mainland china, the street art of political web. When 陳光誠 was arrested people put on sunglasses astaged CGC/KFC art images, which are harder to censor than words — don't underestimate the ability of ART!
+ Anthropologist Addition: In mainland china, the street art of political web. When 陳光誠 was arrested people put on sunglasses and staged CGC/KFC art images, which are harder to censor than words — don't underestimate the ability of ART!
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It would be great to get people — scientist, researchers, remote access to data — for years, nothing happens — there’s no third-party programs.
- Early 70s, where Email was ported from MIT, the internet took off. (75% of
+ Early 70s, where Email was ported from MIT, the internet took off. (75% of back
The most significant thing is not code, not data, but the user. We have to have it. Whenever anything new arrives, we overestimate code and data but underestimate people.
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- Anthropologist Addition: In mainland china, the street art of political web. When 陳光誠 was arrested people put on sunglasses staged CGC/KFC art images, which are harder to censor than words — don't underestimate the ability of ART!
+ Anthropologist Addition: In mainland china, the street art of political web. When 陳光誠 was arrested people put on sunglasses astaged CGC/KFC art images, which are harder to censor than words — don't underestimate the ability of ART!
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It would be great to get people — scientist, researchers, remote access to data — for years, nothing happens — there’s no third-party programs.
- Early 70s, where Email was ported from MIT, the internet took off. (75% of c
+ Early 70s, where Email was ported from MIT, the internet took off. (75% of
The most significant thing is not code, not data, but the user. We have to have it. Whenever anything new arrives, we overestimate code and data but underestimate people.
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- Anthropologist Addition: In mainland china, the street art of political web. When 陳光誠 was arrested people put on sunglasstaged CGC/KFC art images, which are harder to censor than words — don't underestimate the ability of ART!
+ Anthropologist Addition: In mainland china, the street art of political web. When 陳光誠 was arrested people put on sunglasses staged CGC/KFC art images, which are harder to censor than words — don't underestimate the ability of ART!
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It would be great to get people — scientist, researchers, remote access to data — for years, nothing happens — there’s no third-party programs.
- Early 70s, where Email was ported from MIT, the internet took off. (75%
+ Early 70s, where Email was ported from MIT, the internet took off. (75% of c
The most significant thing is not code, not data, but the user. We have to have it. Whenever anything new arrives, we overestimate code and data but underestimate people.
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- Anthropologist Addition: In mainland china, the street art of political web. When 陳光誠 was arrested people put on sstaged CGC/KFC art images, which are harder to censor than words — don't underestimate the ability of ART!
+ Anthropologist Addition: In mainland china, the street art of political web. When 陳光誠 was arrested people put on sunglasstaged CGC/KFC art images, which are harder to censor than words — don't underestimate the ability of ART!
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It would be great to get people — scientist, researchers, remote access to data — for years, nothing happens — there’s no third-party programs.
- Early 70s, where Email was ported from MIT, the internet took off. (
+ Early 70s, where Email was ported from MIT, the internet took off. (75%
The most significant thing is not code, not data, but the user. We have to have it. Whenever anything new arrives, we overestimate code and data but underestimate people.
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- Anthropologist Addition: In mainland china, the street art of political web. When 陳光誠 was arrested people put on staged CGC/KFC art images, which are harder to censor than words — don't underestimate the ability of ART!
+ Anthropologist Addition: In mainland china, the street art of political web. When 陳光誠 was arrested people put on sstaged CGC/KFC art images, which are harder to censor than words — don't underestimate the ability of ART!
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It would be great to get people — scientist, researchers, remote access to data — for years, nothing happens — there’s no third-party programs.
- Early 70s, where Email was ported from MIT, the internet took off.
+ Early 70s, where Email was ported from MIT, the internet took off. (
The most significant thing is not code, not data, but the user. We have to have it. Whenever anything new arrives, we overestimate code and data but underestimate people.
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- Anthropolitic Addition: In mainland china, the street art of political web. When 陳光誠 was arrested people staged CGC/KFC art images, which are harder to censor than words — don't underestimate the ability of ART!
+ Anthropologist Addition: In mainland china, the street art of political web. When 陳光誠 was arrested people put on staged CGC/KFC art images, which are harder to censor than words — don't underestimate the ability of ART!
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| 2014-11-09 02:28 – 02:29 | r2449 – r2459 | |
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It’s a tragedy of the human condition. People commit to them but are defeated by scale.
- In the 198 's, agroup called Act Up!cemergedto fight the phharmsand media around HIV and AIDS. In a matter of 10 days they created this incredible movement. It’s like consensus is great!
+ In the 198 's, agroup called Act Up!cemergedto fight the phharmsand media around HIV and AIDS. I(Amazing documentary.) n a matter of 10 days they created this incredible movement. It’s like consensus is great!
10 days later another document. “We need an executive committee.”
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| 2014-11-09 02:28 – 02:28 | r2444 – r2448 | |
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- AnrhAddition: In mainland china, the street art of political web. When 陳光誠 was arrested people staged CGC/KFC art images, which are harder to censor than words — don't underestimate the ability of ART!
+ Anthropolitic Addition: In mainland china, the street art of political web. When 陳光誠 was arrested people staged CGC/KFC art images, which are harder to censor than words — don't underestimate the ability of ART!
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It’s a tragedy of the human condition. People commit to them but are defeated by scale.
- there’s an amazing 1980 document. In the 198 's, agroup called Act Up!cemergedto fight the phharmsand media around HIV and AIDS. In a matter of 10 days they created this incredible movement. It’s like consensus is great!
+ In the 198 's, agroup called Act Up!cemergedto fight the phharmsand media around HIV and AIDS. In a matter of 10 days they created this incredible movement. It’s like consensus is great!
10 days later another document. “We need an executive committee.”
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| 2014-11-09 02:28 – 02:28 | r2438 – r2442 | |
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- Addition: In mainland china, the street art of political web. When 陳光誠 was arrested people staged CGC/KFC art images, which are harder to censor than words — don't underestimate the ability of ART!
+ AnrhAddition: In mainland china, the street art of political web. When 陳光誠 was arrested people staged CGC/KFC art images, which are harder to censor than words — don't underestimate the ability of ART!
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| 2014-11-09 02:28 – 02:28 | r2430 – r2437 | |
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It’s a tragedy of the human condition. People commit to them but are defeated by scale.
- there’s an amazing 1980 document. In the 198 's, agroup called Act Up!cemergedto fight the phharmaand media around HIV and AIDS. In a matter of 10 days they created this incredible movement. It’s like consensus is great!
+ there’s an amazing 1980 document. In the 198 's, agroup called Act Up!cemergedto fight the phharmsand media around HIV and AIDS. In a matter of 10 days they created this incredible movement. It’s like consensus is great!
10 days later another document. “We need an executive committee.”
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| 2014-11-09 02:28 | r2429 | |
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- Addition: In mainland china, the street art of political web. When 陳光誠 was arrested people staged CGC/KFC art images, which are harder to censor than words — don't underestimate the ability of A
+ Addition: In mainland china, the street art of political web. When 陳光誠 was arrested people staged CGC/KFC art images, which are harder to censor than words — don't underestimate the ability of ART!
+
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| 2014-11-09 02:28 | r2428 | |
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It’s a tragedy of the human condition. People commit to them but are defeated by scale.
- there’s an amazing 1980 document. In the 198 's, agroup called Act Up!cemergedto fight the phharand media around HIV and AIDS. In a matter of 10 days they created this incredible movement. It’s like consensus is great!
+ there’s an amazing 1980 document. In the 198 's, agroup called Act Up!cemergedto fight the phharmaand media around HIV and AIDS. In a matter of 10 days they created this incredible movement. It’s like consensus is great!
10 days later another document. “We need an executive committee.”
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| 2014-11-09 02:28 | r2427 | |
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- Addition: In mainland china, the street art of political web. When 陳光誠 was arrested people staged CGC/KFC art images, which are harder to censor than words — don't underestimate the ability
+ Addition: In mainland china, the street art of political web. When 陳光誠 was arrested people staged CGC/KFC art images, which are harder to censor than words — don't underestimate the ability of A
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| 2014-11-09 02:28 | r2426 | |
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It’s a tragedy of the human condition. People commit to them but are defeated by scale.
- there’s an amazing 1980 document. In the 198 's, agroup called Act Up!cemergedto fight the phhraand media around HIV and AIDS. In a matter of 10 days they created this incredible movement. It’s like consensus is great!
+ there’s an amazing 1980 document. In the 198 's, agroup called Act Up!cemergedto fight the phharand media around HIV and AIDS. In a matter of 10 days they created this incredible movement. It’s like consensus is great!
10 days later another document. “We need an executive committee.”
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| 2014-11-09 02:28 | r2425 | |
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- Addition: In mainland china, the street art of political web. When 陳光誠 was arrested people staged CGC/KFC art images, which are harder to censor than words — don't underestimate the abi
+ Addition: In mainland china, the street art of political web. When 陳光誠 was arrested people staged CGC/KFC art images, which are harder to censor than words — don't underestimate the ability
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| 2014-11-09 02:28 | r2424 | |
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It’s a tragedy of the human condition. People commit to them but are defeated by scale.
- there’s an amazing 1980 document. In the 198 's, agroup called Act Up!cemergedto fight the phhramand media around HIV and AIDS. In a matter of 10 days they created this incredible movement. It’s like consensus is great!
+ there’s an amazing 1980 document. In the 198 's, agroup called Act Up!cemergedto fight the phhraand media around HIV and AIDS. In a matter of 10 days they created this incredible movement. It’s like consensus is great!
10 days later another document. “We need an executive committee.”
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| 2014-11-09 02:28 | r2423 | |
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- Addition: In mainland china, the street art of political web. When 陳光誠 was arrested people staged CGC/KFC art images, which are harder to censor than words — don't underestimate the
+ Addition: In mainland china, the street art of political web. When 陳光誠 was arrested people staged CGC/KFC art images, which are harder to censor than words — don't underestimate the abi
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| 2014-11-09 02:28 | r2422 | |
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It’s a tragedy of the human condition. People commit to them but are defeated by scale.
- there’s an amazing 1980 document. In the 198 's, agroup called Act Up!cemergedto fight the phand media around HIV and AIDS. In a matter of 10 days they created this incredible movement. It’s like consensus is great!
+ there’s an amazing 1980 document. In the 198 's, agroup called Act Up!cemergedto fight the phhramand media around HIV and AIDS. In a matter of 10 days they created this incredible movement. It’s like consensus is great!
10 days later another document. “We need an executive committee.”
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| 2014-11-09 02:28 | r2421 | |
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- Addition: In mainland china, the street art of political web. When 陳光誠 was arrested people staged CGC/KFC art images, which are harder to censor than words — don't underestimate the
+ Addition: In mainland china, the street art of political web. When 陳光誠 was arrested people staged CGC/KFC art images, which are harder to censor than words — don't underestimate the
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| 2014-11-09 02:28 | r2420 | |
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It’s a tragedy of the human condition. People commit to them but are defeated by scale.
- there’s an amazing 1980 document. In the 198 's, agroup called Act Up!cemergedto fight the pharmsacuticaland media around HIV and AIDS. In a matter of 10 days they created this incredible movement. It’s like consensus is great!
+ there’s an amazing 1980 document. In the 198 's, agroup called Act Up!cemergedto fight the phand media around HIV and AIDS. In a matter of 10 days they created this incredible movement. It’s like consensus is great!
10 days later another document. “We need an executive committee.”
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| 2014-11-09 02:28 – 02:28 | r2391 – r2419 | |
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- Addition: In mainland china, the street art of political web. When 陳光誠 was arrested people st
+ Addition: In mainland china, the street art of political web. When 陳光誠 was arrested people staged CGC/KFC art images, which are harder to censor than words — don't underestimate the
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| 2014-11-09 02:28 | r2390 | |
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It’s a tragedy of the human condition. People commit to them but are defeated by scale.
- there’s an amazing 1980 document. In the 198 's, agroup called Act Up!cemergedto fight the pharmsacuiticaland media around HIV and AIDS. In a matter of 10 days they created this incredible movement. It’s like consensus is great!
+ there’s an amazing 1980 document. In the 198 's, agroup called Act Up!cemergedto fight the pharmsacuticaland media around HIV and AIDS. In a matter of 10 days they created this incredible movement. It’s like consensus is great!
10 days later another document. “We need an executive committee.”
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| 2014-11-09 02:28 – 02:28 | r2386 – r2389 | |
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- Addition: In mainland china, the street art of political web. When 陳光誠 was arre
+ Addition: In mainland china, the street art of political web. When 陳光誠 was arrested people st
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| 2014-11-09 02:28 | r2385 | |
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It’s a tragedy of the human condition. People commit to them but are defeated by scale.
- there’s an amazing 1980 document. In the 198 's, agroup called Act Up!cemergedto fight the pharmsacuand media around HIV and AIDS. In a matter of 10 days they created this incredible movement. It’s like consensus is great!
+ there’s an amazing 1980 document. In the 198 's, agroup called Act Up!cemergedto fight the pharmsacuiticaland media around HIV and AIDS. In a matter of 10 days they created this incredible movement. It’s like consensus is great!
10 days later another document. “We need an executive committee.”
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| 2014-11-09 02:28 | r2384 | |
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- Addition: In mainland china, the street art of political web. When 陳光誠 was a
+ Addition: In mainland china, the street art of political web. When 陳光誠 was arre
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| 2014-11-09 02:28 | r2383 | |
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It’s a tragedy of the human condition. People commit to them but are defeated by scale.
- there’s an amazing 1980 document. In the 198 's, agroup called Act Up!cemergedto fight the pharmsacand media around HIV and AIDS. In a matter of 10 days they created this incredible movement. It’s like consensus is great!
+ there’s an amazing 1980 document. In the 198 's, agroup called Act Up!cemergedto fight the pharmsacuand media around HIV and AIDS. In a matter of 10 days they created this incredible movement. It’s like consensus is great!
10 days later another document. “We need an executive committee.”
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| 2014-11-09 02:28 – 02:28 | r2380 – r2382 | |
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- Addition: In mainland china, the street art of political web. When 陳光誠
+ Addition: In mainland china, the street art of political web. When 陳光誠 was a
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| 2014-11-09 02:28 – 02:28 | r2378 – r2379 | |
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It’s a tragedy of the human condition. People commit to them but are defeated by scale.
- there’s an amazing 1980 document. In the 198 's, agroup called Act Up!cemergedto fight the pharms and media around HIV and AIDS. In a matter of 10 days they created this incredible movement. It’s like consensus is great!
+ there’s an amazing 1980 document. In the 198 's, agroup called Act Up!cemergedto fight the pharmsacand media around HIV and AIDS. In a matter of 10 days they created this incredible movement. It’s like consensus is great!
10 days later another document. “We need an executive committee.”
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| 2014-11-09 02:28 – 02:28 | r2376 – r2377 | |
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- Addition: In mainland china, the street art of political web. When 陳糸一石
+ Addition: In mainland china, the street art of political web. When 陳光誠
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| 2014-11-09 02:28 | r2375 | |
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It’s a tragedy of the human condition. People commit to them but are defeated by scale.
- there’s an amazing 1980 document. In the 198 's, agroup called Act Up!cemerto fight the pharms and media around HIV and AIDS. In a matter of 10 days they created this incredible movement. It’s like consensus is great!
+ there’s an amazing 1980 document. In the 198 's, agroup called Act Up!cemergedto fight the pharms and media around HIV and AIDS. In a matter of 10 days they created this incredible movement. It’s like consensus is great!
10 days later another document. “We need an executive committee.”
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| 2014-11-09 02:28 | r2374 | |
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- Addition: In mainland china, the street art of political web. When
+ Addition: In mainland china, the street art of political web. When 陳糸一石
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| 2014-11-09 02:28 | r2373 | |
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It’s a tragedy of the human condition. People commit to them but are defeated by scale.
- there’s an amazing 1980 document. In the 198 's, agroup called Act Up!cto fight the pharms and media around HIV and AIDS. In a matter of 10 days they created this incredible movement. It’s like consensus is great!
+ there’s an amazing 1980 document. In the 198 's, agroup called Act Up!cemerto fight the pharms and media around HIV and AIDS. In a matter of 10 days they created this incredible movement. It’s like consensus is great!
10 days later another document. “We need an executive committee.”
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| 2014-11-09 02:28 | r2372 | |
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- Addition: In mainland china, the street art of political web. W
+ Addition: In mainland china, the street art of political web. When
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| 2014-11-09 02:28 | r2371 | |
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It’s a tragedy of the human condition. People commit to them but are defeated by scale.
- there’s an amazing 1980 document. In the 198 's, agroup called Act Up!comes to fight the pharms and media around HIV and AIDS. In a matter of 10 days they created this incredible movement. It’s like consensus is great!
+ there’s an amazing 1980 document. In the 198 's, agroup called Act Up!cto fight the pharms and media around HIV and AIDS. In a matter of 10 days they created this incredible movement. It’s like consensus is great!
10 days later another document. “We need an executive committee.”
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| 2014-11-09 02:28 – 02:28 | r2361 – r2370 | |
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- Addition: In mainland china, the street art of
+ Addition: In mainland china, the street art of political web. W
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| 2014-11-09 02:28 – 02:28 | r2359 – r2360 | |
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It’s a tragedy of the human condition. People commit to them but are defeated by scale.
- there’s an amazing 1980 document. In the 198 's, agroup called Act comes to fight the pharms and media around HIV and AIDS. In a matter of 10 days they created this incredible movement. It’s like consensus is great!
+ there’s an amazing 1980 document. In the 198 's, agroup called Act Up!comes to fight the pharms and media around HIV and AIDS. In a matter of 10 days they created this incredible movement. It’s like consensus is great!
10 days later another document. “We need an executive committee.”
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| 2014-11-09 02:28 | r2358 | |
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- Addition: In mainland china, the street ar
+ Addition: In mainland china, the street art of
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| 2014-11-09 02:28 | r2357 | |
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It’s a tragedy of the human condition. People commit to them but are defeated by scale.
- there’s an amazing 1980 document. In the 198 's, agroup called Act ucomes to fight the pharms and media around HIV and AIDS. In a matter of 10 days they created this incredible movement. It’s like consensus is great!
+ there’s an amazing 1980 document. In the 198 's, agroup called Act comes to fight the pharms and media around HIV and AIDS. In a matter of 10 days they created this incredible movement. It’s like consensus is great!
10 days later another document. “We need an executive committee.”
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| 2014-11-09 02:28 | r2356 | |
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- Addition: In mainland china, the street
+ Addition: In mainland china, the street ar
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| 2014-11-09 02:28 | r2355 | |
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It’s a tragedy of the human condition. People commit to them but are defeated by scale.
- there’s an amazing 1980 document. In the 198 's, agroup called Act comes to fight the pharms and media around HIV and AIDS. In a matter of 10 days they created this incredible movement. It’s like consensus is great!
+ there’s an amazing 1980 document. In the 198 's, agroup called Act ucomes to fight the pharms and media around HIV and AIDS. In a matter of 10 days they created this incredible movement. It’s like consensus is great!
10 days later another document. “We need an executive committee.”
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| 2014-11-09 02:28 | r2354 | |
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- Addition: In mainland china, the stre
+ Addition: In mainland china, the street
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| 2014-11-09 02:28 | r2353 | |
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It’s a tragedy of the human condition. People commit to them but are defeated by scale.
- there’s an amazing 1980 document. In the 198 's, agroup called Actcomes to fight the pharms and media around HIV and AIDS. In a matter of 10 days they created this incredible movement. It’s like consensus is great!
+ there’s an amazing 1980 document. In the 198 's, agroup called Act comes to fight the pharms and media around HIV and AIDS. In a matter of 10 days they created this incredible movement. It’s like consensus is great!
10 days later another document. “We need an executive committee.”
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| 2014-11-09 02:28 | r2352 | |
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- Addition: In mainland china, the
+ Addition: In mainland china, the stre
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| 2014-11-09 02:28 | r2351 | |
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It’s a tragedy of the human condition. People commit to them but are defeated by scale.
- there’s an amazing 1980 document. In the 198 's, agroup called Accomes to fight the pharms and media around HIV and AIDS. In a matter of 10 days they created this incredible movement. It’s like consensus is great!
+ there’s an amazing 1980 document. In the 198 's, agroup called Actcomes to fight the pharms and media around HIV and AIDS. In a matter of 10 days they created this incredible movement. It’s like consensus is great!
10 days later another document. “We need an executive committee.”
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| 2014-11-09 02:28 | r2350 | |
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- Addition: In mainland china,
+ Addition: In mainland china, the
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| 2014-11-09 02:28 | r2349 | |
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It’s a tragedy of the human condition. People commit to them but are defeated by scale.
- there’s an amazing 1980 document. In the 198 's, agroup called Acomes to fight the pharms and media around HIV and AIDS. In a matter of 10 days they created this incredible movement. It’s like consensus is great!
+ there’s an amazing 1980 document. In the 198 's, agroup called Accomes to fight the pharms and media around HIV and AIDS. In a matter of 10 days they created this incredible movement. It’s like consensus is great!
10 days later another document. “We need an executive committee.”
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| 2014-11-09 02:28 | r2348 | |
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- Addition: In mainland chi
+ Addition: In mainland china,
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| 2014-11-09 02:28 | r2347 | |
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It’s a tragedy of the human condition. People commit to them but are defeated by scale.
- there’s an amazing 1980 document. In the 198 's, agroup callecomes to fight the pharms and media around HIV and AIDS. In a matter of 10 days they created this incredible movement. It’s like consensus is great!
+ there’s an amazing 1980 document. In the 198 's, agroup called Acomes to fight the pharms and media around HIV and AIDS. In a matter of 10 days they created this incredible movement. It’s like consensus is great!
10 days later another document. “We need an executive committee.”
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| 2014-11-09 02:28 | r2346 | |
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+ Addition: In mainland chi
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| 2014-11-09 02:28 | r2345 | |
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It’s a tragedy of the human condition. People commit to them but are defeated by scale.
- there’s an amazing 1980 document. In the 198 's, agroup comes to fight the pharms and media around HIV and AIDS. In a matter of 10 days they created this incredible movement. It’s like consensus is great!
+ there’s an amazing 1980 document. In the 198 's, agroup callecomes to fight the pharms and media around HIV and AIDS. In a matter of 10 days they created this incredible movement. It’s like consensus is great!
10 days later another document. “We need an executive committee.”
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| 2014-11-09 02:28 | r2344 | |
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+ Addition: In mainland ch
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| 2014-11-09 02:28 | r2343 | |
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It’s a tragedy of the human condition. People commit to them but are defeated by scale.
- there’s an amazing 1980 document. In the 198 's, agroup comes to fight the pharms and media around HIV and AIDS. In a matter of 10 days they created this incredible movement. It’s like consensus is great!
+ there’s an amazing 1980 document. In the 198 's, agroup comes to fight the pharms and media around HIV and AIDS. In a matter of 10 days they created this incredible movement. It’s like consensus is great!
10 days later another document. “We need an executive committee.”
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| 2014-11-09 02:28 – 02:28 | r2341 – r2342 | |
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+ Addition: In mainland
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| 2014-11-09 02:28 | r2340 | |
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It’s a tragedy of the human condition. People commit to them but are defeated by scale.
- there’s an amazing 1980 document. In the 198 's,group comes to fight the pharms and media around HIV and AIDS. In a matter of 10 days they created this incredible movement. It’s like consensus is great!
+ there’s an amazing 1980 document. In the 198 's, agroup comes to fight the pharms and media around HIV and AIDS. In a matter of 10 days they created this incredible movement. It’s like consensus is great!
10 days later another document. “We need an executive committee.”
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| 2014-11-09 02:28 | r2339 | |
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- Addition: In
+ Addition: In ma
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| 2014-11-09 02:28 | r2338 | |
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It’s a tragedy of the human condition. People commit to them but are defeated by scale.
- there’s an amazing 1980 document. In the 198 'sgroup comes to fight the pharms and media around HIV and AIDS. In a matter of 10 days they created this incredible movement. It’s like consensus is great!
+ there’s an amazing 1980 document. In the 198 's,group comes to fight the pharms and media around HIV and AIDS. In a matter of 10 days they created this incredible movement. It’s like consensus is great!
10 days later another document. “We need an executive committee.”
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| 2014-11-09 02:28 – 02:28 | r2335 – r2337 | |
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| 2014-11-09 02:28 | r2334 | |
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It’s a tragedy of the human condition. People commit to them but are defeated by scale.
- there’s an amazing 1980 document. In the 198 's group comes to fight the pharms and media around HIV and AIDS. In a matter of 10 days they created this incredible movement. It’s like consensus is great!
+ there’s an amazing 1980 document. In the 198 'sgroup comes to fight the pharms and media around HIV and AIDS. In a matter of 10 days they created this incredible movement. It’s like consensus is great!
10 days later another document. “We need an executive committee.”
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| 2014-11-09 02:28 – 02:28 | r2332 – r2333 | |
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The "Cute Cat Theory" if internet dissidents is no joke! This is widely believed to be true — the tools just for political dissent is ignored, but if you can transmit cute :cat2: on the channel — it's a huge advantage. :dog: :dog2:
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+ Additi
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| 2014-11-09 02:28 – 02:28 | r2326 – r2331 | |
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It’s a tragedy of the human condition. People commit to them but are defeated by scale.
- there’s an amazing 1980 document. In the group comes to fight the pharms and media around HIV and AIDS. In a matter of 10 days they created this incredible movement. It’s like consensus is great!
+ there’s an amazing 1980 document. In the 198 's group comes to fight the pharms and media around HIV and AIDS. In a matter of 10 days they created this incredible movement. It’s like consensus is great!
10 days later another document. “We need an executive committee.”
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| 2014-11-09 02:28 – 02:28 | r2324 – r2325 | |
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| 2014-11-09 02:28 – 02:28 | r2322 – r2323 | |
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It’s a tragedy of the human condition. People commit to them but are defeated by scale.
- there’s an amazing 1980 document. Where a group comes to fight the pharms and media around HIV and AIDS. In a matter of 10 days they created this incredible movement. It’s like consensus is great!
+ there’s an amazing 1980 document. In the group comes to fight the pharms and media around HIV and AIDS. In a matter of 10 days they created this incredible movement. It’s like consensus is great!
10 days later another document. “We need an executive committee.”
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| 2014-11-09 02:27 – 02:28 | r2304 – r2321 | |
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Second thing. Never underestimate the power of a cute :cat: !
- The "Cute Cat Theory" if internet dissidents is no joke! This is widely believed to be true — the tools just for political dissent is ignored, but if you can transmit cute cats on the channel — it's a huge advantage.
+ The "Cute Cat Theory" if internet dissidents is no joke! This is widely believed to be true — the tools just for political dissent is ignored, but if you can transmit cute :cat2: on the channel — it's a huge advantage. :dog: :dog2:
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| 2014-11-09 02:27 – 02:27 | r2298 – r2302 | |
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Second thing. Never underestimate the power of a cute :cat: !
- The "Cute Cat Theory" if internet dissidents is no joke! This is widely believed to be true — the tools just for political dissent is ignored, but if you can transmit cute cats, it's a huge advantage.
+ The "Cute Cat Theory" if internet dissidents is no joke! This is widely believed to be true — the tools just for political dissent is ignored, but if you can transmit cute cats on the channel — it's a huge advantage.
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| 2014-11-09 02:27 – 02:27 | r2294 – r2297 | |
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If there’s a dozen people in the room, the answer you get is “That’s Diane” “that’s Sue” “That’s Scott”
- 40 people, “head of production, Diane”, “chief of …” etc with titles + rp.
+ 40 people, “head of production, Diane”, “chief of …” etc with titles + roles.
Last one: Tensions between consensus and decisiveness.
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| 2014-11-09 02:27 – 02:27 | r2292 – r2293 | |
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Second thing. Never underestimate the power of a cute :cat: !
- The "Cute Cat Theory" if internet dissidents is no joke! This is widely believed to be true — the tools just for political dissent is ignored, but if you can transmit cute cats, it's a huge ad
+ The "Cute Cat Theory" if internet dissidents is no joke! This is widely believed to be true — the tools just for political dissent is ignored, but if you can transmit cute cats, it's a huge advantage.
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| 2014-11-09 02:27 – 02:27 | r2290 – r2291 | |
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If there’s a dozen people in the room, the answer you get is “That’s Diane” “that’s Sue” “That’s Scott”
- 40 people, “head of production, Diane”, “chief of …” etc with titles.
+ 40 people, “head of production, Diane”, “chief of …” etc with titles + rp.
Last one: Tensions between consensus and decisiveness.
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| 2014-11-09 02:26 – 02:27 | r2225 – r2289 | |
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Second thing. Never underestimate the power of a cute :cat: !
+ The "Cute Cat Theory" if internet dissidents is no joke! This is widely believed to be true — the tools just for political dissent is ignored, but if you can transmit cute cats, it's a huge ad
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| 2014-11-09 02:26 – 02:26 | r2222 – r2224 | |
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If you are increasing bonding capital, you are increasing the amount of money that those people will loan you. If you are increasing bridging capital, you increase the number of people who would say “yes”. It matters is that the small group when you fell in love with, it is pure bonding capital.
- If you look at the drawing here with 10 people and 45. Another way is two 5 groups with a bridge between them.
+ If you look at the drawing here with 10 people and 45 links. Another way is two 5 groups with a bridge between them.
With two liaisons, that creates hierarchy of course, but the counter-risk is that you devolve into this hairball of complexity.
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| 2014-11-09 02:26 – 02:26 | r2207 – r2221 | |
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[[Tammy translate back to Mandarin for Billy]]
- Second thing.
+ Second thing. Never underestimate the power of a cute :cat: !
+
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| 2014-11-09 02:26 – 02:26 | r2204 – r2206 | |
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The diff between the two is this. Think of the list of people who will loan you 100 (US) dollars without asking.
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- If you are increasing bonding capital, you are increasing the amount of money that those people will loan you. If you are increasing bridging capital, you
- Bridging is to increase the number of people who would say “yes”. It matters is that the small group when you fell in love with, it is pure bonding capital.
+ If you are increasing bonding capital, you are increasing the amount of money that those people will loan you. If you are increasing bridging capital, you increase the number of people who would say “yes”. It matters is that the small group when you fell in love with, it is pure bonding capital.
If you look at the drawing here with 10 people and 45. Another way is two 5 groups with a bridge between them.
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| 2014-11-09 02:26 – 02:26 | r2201 – r2203 | |
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[[Tammy translate back to Mandarin for Billy]]
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+ Second thing.
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| 2014-11-09 02:26 | r2200 | |
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The diff between the two is this. Think of the list of people who will loan you 100 (US) dollars without asking.
- If you are increasing bonding capital, you are increasing the amount of money that those people will loan you. If you are increasing bridging capital, you ar
+ If you are increasing bonding capital, you are increasing the amount of money that those people will loan you. If you are increasing bridging capital, you
Bridging is to increase the number of people who would say “yes”. It matters is that the small group when you fell in love with, it is pure bonding capital.
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| 2014-11-09 02:26 | r2199 | |
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[[Tammy translate back to Mandarin for Billy]]
- 2
+
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| 2014-11-09 02:26 | r2198 | |
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The diff between the two is this. Think of the list of people who will loan you 100 (US) dollars without asking.
- If you are increasing bonding capital, you are increasing the amount of money that those people will loan you. If you are increasing bridging capital, you
+ If you are increasing bonding capital, you are increasing the amount of money that those people will loan you. If you are increasing bridging capital, you ar
Bridging is to increase the number of people who would say “yes”. It matters is that the small group when you fell in love with, it is pure bonding capital.
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| 2014-11-09 02:26 | r2197 | |
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[[Tammy translate back to Mandarin for Billy]]
-
+ 2
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| 2014-11-09 02:26 – 02:26 | r2192 – r2196 | |
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The diff between the two is this. Think of the list of people who will loan you 100 (US) dollars without asking.
- If you are increasing bonding capital, you are increasing the amount of money that those people will loan you. If you are increasing bridgin cap
+ If you are increasing bonding capital, you are increasing the amount of money that those people will loan you. If you are increasing bridging capital, you
Bridging is to increase the number of people who would say “yes”. It matters is that the small group when you fell in love with, it is pure bonding capital.
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| 2014-11-09 02:26 – 02:26 | r2190 – r2191 | |
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If you concentrate on media as a way to transmit information, you're playing in the field most controlled by your opponents. You need to communicate the emotion instead.
- [[Tammy translate back to M for Billy]]
+ [[Tammy translate back to Mandarin for Billy]]
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| 2014-11-09 02:26 – 02:26 | r2188 – r2189 | |
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The diff between the two is this. Think of the list of people who will loan you 100 (US) dollars without asking.
- If you are increasing bonding capital, you are increasing the amount of money that those people will loan you. If you are increasing brid
+ If you are increasing bonding capital, you are increasing the amount of money that those people will loan you. If you are increasing bridgin cap
Bridging is to increase the number of people who would say “yes”. It matters is that the small group when you fell in love with, it is pure bonding capital.
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| 2014-11-09 02:26 | r2187 | |
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If you concentrate on media as a way to transmit information, you're playing in the field most controlled by your opponents. You need to communicate the emotion instead.
- [[Tammy translate back to Chinese for Billy]]
+ [[Tammy translate back to M for Billy]]
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| 2014-11-09 02:26 – 02:26 | r2168 – r2186 | |
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The diff between the two is this. Think of the list of people who will loan you 100 (US) dollars without asking.
- If you are increasing bonding capital, you are increasing the amount of money that those people will loan
+ If you are increasing bonding capital, you are increasing the amount of money that those people will loan you. If you are increasing brid
Bridging is to increase the number of people who would say “yes”. It matters is that the small group when you fell in love with, it is pure bonding capital.
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| 2014-11-09 02:26 | r2167 | |
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First of all, people mostly don't change their mind, they mostly change their emotions and the mind follows — Like my mental blue helmet — the food tent changed my emotions and made me one of the occupiers.
- If you concentrate on media as a way to transmit information, you're playing in the field most controlled by your opponents. You need to communicate the emotion ins
+ If you concentrate on media as a way to transmit information, you're playing in the field most controlled by your opponents. You need to communicate the emotion instead.
[[Tammy translate back to Chinese for Billy]]
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| 2014-11-09 02:26 | r2166 | |
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The diff between the two is this. Think of the list of people who will loan you 100 (US) dollars without asking.
- If you are increasing bonding capital, you are increasing the amount of money that those people will l
+ If you are increasing bonding capital, you are increasing the amount of money that those people will loan
Bridging is to increase the number of people who would say “yes”. It matters is that the small group when you fell in love with, it is pure bonding capital.
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| 2014-11-09 02:26 | r2165 | |
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First of all, people mostly don't change their mind, they mostly change their emotions and the mind follows — Like my mental blue helmet — the food tent changed my emotions and made me one of the occupiers.
- If you concentrate on media as a way to transmit information, you're playing in the field most controlled by your opponents. You need to communicate the emotio
+ If you concentrate on media as a way to transmit information, you're playing in the field most controlled by your opponents. You need to communicate the emotion ins
[[Tammy translate back to Chinese for Billy]]
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| 2014-11-09 02:26 | r2164 | |
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The diff between the two is this. Think of the list of people who will loan you 100 (US) dollars without asking.
- If you are increasing bonding capital, you are increasing the amount of money that those people wi
+ If you are increasing bonding capital, you are increasing the amount of money that those people will l
Bridging is to increase the number of people who would say “yes”. It matters is that the small group when you fell in love with, it is pure bonding capital.
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| 2014-11-09 02:26 | r2163 | |
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First of all, people mostly don't change their mind, they mostly change their emotions and the mind follows — Like my mental blue helmet — the food tent changed my emotions and made me one of the occupiers.
- If you concentrate on media as a way to transmit information, you're playing in the field most controlled by your opponents. You need to communicate the
+ If you concentrate on media as a way to transmit information, you're playing in the field most controlled by your opponents. You need to communicate the emotio
[[Tammy translate back to Chinese for Billy]]
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| 2014-11-09 02:26 | r2162 | |
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The diff between the two is this. Think of the list of people who will loan you 100 (US) dollars without asking.
- If you are increasing bonding capital, you are increasing the amount of money that those people
+ If you are increasing bonding capital, you are increasing the amount of money that those people wi
Bridging is to increase the number of people who would say “yes”. It matters is that the small group when you fell in love with, it is pure bonding capital.
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| 2014-11-09 02:26 | r2161 | |
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First of all, people mostly don't change their mind, they mostly change their emotions and the mind follows — Like my mental blue helmet — the food tent changed my emotions and made me one of the occupiers.
- If you concentrate on media as a way to transmit information, you're playing in the field most controlled by your opponents. You need to communicate the
+ If you concentrate on media as a way to transmit information, you're playing in the field most controlled by your opponents. You need to communicate the
[[Tammy translate back to Chinese for Billy]]
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| 2014-11-09 02:26 | r2160 | |
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The diff between the two is this. Think of the list of people who will loan you 100 (US) dollars without asking.
- If you are increasing bonding capital, you are increasing the amount of money that those peo
+ If you are increasing bonding capital, you are increasing the amount of money that those people
Bridging is to increase the number of people who would say “yes”. It matters is that the small group when you fell in love with, it is pure bonding capital.
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| 2014-11-09 02:26 | r2159 | |
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First of all, people mostly don't change their mind, they mostly change their emotions and the mind follows — Like my mental blue helmet — the food tent changed my emotions and made me one of the occupiers.
- If you concentrate on media as a way to transmit information, you're playing in the field most controlled by your opponents. You need to communicate
+ If you concentrate on media as a way to transmit information, you're playing in the field most controlled by your opponents. You need to communicate the
[[Tammy translate back to Chinese for Billy]]
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| 2014-11-09 02:26 | r2158 | |
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The diff between the two is this. Think of the list of people who will loan you 100 (US) dollars without asking.
- If you are increasing bonding capital, you are increasing the amount of money that t
+ If you are increasing bonding capital, you are increasing the amount of money that those peo
Bridging is to increase the number of people who would say “yes”. It matters is that the small group when you fell in love with, it is pure bonding capital.
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| 2014-11-09 02:26 | r2157 | |
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First of all, people mostly don't change their mind, they mostly change their emotions and the mind follows — Like my mental blue helmet — the food tent changed my emotions and made me one of the occupiers.
- If you concentrate on media as a way to transmit information, you're playing in the field most controlled by your opponents. You need to communicate t
+ If you concentrate on media as a way to transmit information, you're playing in the field most controlled by your opponents. You need to communicate
[[Tammy translate back to Chinese for Billy]]
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| 2014-11-09 02:26 | r2156 | |
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| 2014-11-09 02:26 | r2155 | |
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The diff between the two is this. Think of the list of people who will loan you 100 (US) dollars without asking.
- If you are increasing bonding capital, you are increasing the amount of money that people wio
+ If you are increasing bonding capital, you are increasing the amount of money that t
Bridging is to increase the number of people who would say “yes”. It matters is that the small group when you fell in love with, it is pure bonding capital.
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| 2014-11-09 02:26 – 02:26 | r2153 – r2154 | |
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First of all, people mostly don't change their mind, they mostly change their emotions and the mind follows — Like my mental blue helmet — the food tent changed my emotions and made me one of the occupiers.
- If you concentrate on media as a way to transmit information, you're playing in the field most controlled by your opponents. You need to communit
+ If you concentrate on media as a way to transmit information, you're playing in the field most controlled by your opponents. You need to communicate t
[[Tammy translate back to Chinese for Billy]]
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| 2014-11-09 02:26 – 02:26 | r2151 – r2152 | |
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The diff between the two is this. Think of the list of people who will loan you 100 (US) dollars without asking.
- If you are increasing bonding capital, you are increasing the amount of money that peopl
+ If you are increasing bonding capital, you are increasing the amount of money that people wio
Bridging is to increase the number of people who would say “yes”. It matters is that the small group when you fell in love with, it is pure bonding capital.
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| 2014-11-09 02:25 – 02:26 | r2149 – r2150 | |
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First of all, people mostly don't change their mind, they mostly change their emotions and the mind follows — Like my mental blue helmet — the food tent changed my emotions and made me one of the occupiers.
- If you concentrate on media as a way to transmit information, you're playing in the field most controlled by your opponents. You need to com
+ If you concentrate on media as a way to transmit information, you're playing in the field most controlled by your opponents. You need to communit
[[Tammy translate back to Chinese for Billy]]
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| 2014-11-09 02:25 | r2148 | |
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The diff between the two is this. Think of the list of people who will loan you 100 (US) dollars without asking.
- If you are increasing bonding capital, you are increasing the amount of money tha
+ If you are increasing bonding capital, you are increasing the amount of money that peopl
Bridging is to increase the number of people who would say “yes”. It matters is that the small group when you fell in love with, it is pure bonding capital.
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| 2014-11-09 02:25 | r2147 | |
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First of all, people mostly don't change their mind, they mostly change their emotions and the mind follows — Like my mental blue helmet — the food tent changed my emotions and made me one of the occupiers.
- If you concentrate on media as a way to transmit information, you're playing in the field most controlled by your opponents. You need
+ If you concentrate on media as a way to transmit information, you're playing in the field most controlled by your opponents. You need to com
[[Tammy translate back to Chinese for Billy]]
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| 2014-11-09 02:25 | r2146 | |
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The diff between the two is this. Think of the list of people who will loan you 100 (US) dollars without asking.
- If you are increasing bonding capital, you are increasing the amount of mo
+ If you are increasing bonding capital, you are increasing the amount of money tha
Bridging is to increase the number of people who would say “yes”. It matters is that the small group when you fell in love with, it is pure bonding capital.
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| 2014-11-09 02:25 | r2145 | |
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First of all, people mostly don't change their mind, they mostly change their emotions and the mind follows — Like my mental blue helmet — the food tent changed my emotions and made me one of the occupiers.
- If you concentrate on media as a way to transmit information, you're playing in the field most controlled by your opponents. You
+ If you concentrate on media as a way to transmit information, you're playing in the field most controlled by your opponents. You need
[[Tammy translate back to Chinese for Billy]]
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| 2014-11-09 02:25 | r2144 | |
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The diff between the two is this. Think of the list of people who will loan you 100 (US) dollars without asking.
- If you are increasing bonding capital, you are increasing the amount o
+ If you are increasing bonding capital, you are increasing the amount of mo
Bridging is to increase the number of people who would say “yes”. It matters is that the small group when you fell in love with, it is pure bonding capital.
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| 2014-11-09 02:25 | r2143 | |
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First of all, people mostly don't change their mind, they mostly change their emotions and the mind follows — Like my mental blue helmet — the food tent changed my emotions and made me one of the occupiers.
- If you concentrate on media as a way to transmit information, you're playing in the field most controlled by your opponents.
+ If you concentrate on media as a way to transmit information, you're playing in the field most controlled by your opponents. You
[[Tammy translate back to Chinese for Billy]]
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| 2014-11-09 02:25 | r2142 | |
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The diff between the two is this. Think of the list of people who will loan you 100 (US) dollars without asking.
- If you are increasing bonding capital, you are increasing the amou
+ If you are increasing bonding capital, you are increasing the amount o
Bridging is to increase the number of people who would say “yes”. It matters is that the small group when you fell in love with, it is pure bonding capital.
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| 2014-11-09 02:25 | r2141 | |
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First of all, people mostly don't change their mind, they mostly change their emotions and the mind follows — Like my mental blue helmet — the food tent changed my emotions and made me one of the occupiers.
- If you concentrate on media as a way to transmit information, you're playing in the field most controlled by your opponents.
+ If you concentrate on media as a way to transmit information, you're playing in the field most controlled by your opponents.
[[Tammy translate back to Chinese for Billy]]
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| 2014-11-09 02:25 – 02:25 | r2138 – r2140 | |
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The diff between the two is this. Think of the list of people who will loan you 100 (US) dollars without asking.
- If you are increasing bonding capital, you are increasing the am
+ If you are increasing bonding capital, you are increasing the amou
Bridging is to increase the number of people who would say “yes”. It matters is that the small group when you fell in love with, it is pure bonding capital.
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| 2014-11-09 02:25 | r2137 | |
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First of all, people mostly don't change their mind, they mostly change their emotions and the mind follows — Like my mental blue helmet — the food tent changed my emotions and made me one of the occupiers.
- If you concentrate on media as a way to tran information, you're playing in the field most controlled by your opponents.
+ If you concentrate on media as a way to transmit information, you're playing in the field most controlled by your opponents.
[[Tammy translate back to Chinese for Billy]]
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| 2014-11-09 02:25 | r2136 | |
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The diff between the two is this. Think of the list of people who will loan you 100 (US) dollars without asking.
- If you are increasing bonding capital, you are increasing the a
+ If you are increasing bonding capital, you are increasing the am
Bridging is to increase the number of people who would say “yes”. It matters is that the small group when you fell in love with, it is pure bonding capital.
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| 2014-11-09 02:25 | r2135 | |
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First of all, people mostly don't change their mind, they mostly change their emotions and the mind follows — Like my mental blue helmet — the food tent changed my emotions and made me one of the occupiers.
- If you concentrate on media as a way to information, you're playing in the field most controlled by your opponents.
+ If you concentrate on media as a way to tran information, you're playing in the field most controlled by your opponents.
[[Tammy translate back to Chinese for Billy]]
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| 2014-11-09 02:25 | r2134 | |
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The diff between the two is this. Think of the list of people who will loan you 100 (US) dollars without asking.
- If you are increasing bonding capital, you are increasing the number of such people — which you’ll pay back too — it’s trust.
+ If you are increasing bonding capital, you are increasing the a
Bridging is to increase the number of people who would say “yes”. It matters is that the small group when you fell in love with, it is pure bonding capital.
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| 2014-11-09 02:25 – 02:25 | r2129 – r2133 | |
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First of all, people mostly don't change their mind, they mostly change their emotions and the mind follows — Like my mental blue helmet — the food tent changed my emotions and made me one of the occupiers.
- If you concentrate on media as information, you're playing in the field most controlled by your opponents.
+ If you concentrate on media as a way to information, you're playing in the field most controlled by your opponents.
[[Tammy translate back to Chinese for Billy]]
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| 2014-11-09 02:25 – 02:25 | r2124 – r2128 | |
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If you are increasing bonding capital, you are increasing the number of such people — which you’ll pay back too — it’s trust.
- Bridging is to increase the kind of people who would say “yes”. It matters is that the small group when you fell in love with, it is pure bonding capital.
+ Bridging is to increase the number of people who would say “yes”. It matters is that the small group when you fell in love with, it is pure bonding capital.
If you look at the drawing here with 10 people and 45. Another way is two 5 groups with a bridge between them.
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| 2014-11-09 02:25 – 02:25 | r2110 – r2123 | |
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If you concentrate on media as information, you're playing in the field most controlled by your opponents.
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+ [[Tammy translate back to Chinese for Billy]]
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| 2014-11-09 02:25 | r2109 | |
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| 2014-11-09 02:25 – 02:25 | r2091 – r2108 | |
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First of all, people mostly don't change their mind, they mostly change their emotions and the mind follows — Like my mental blue helmet — the food tent changed my emotions and made me one of the occupiers.
- If you concentrate on media as information, you're playing
+ If you concentrate on media as information, you're playing in the field most controlled by your opponents.
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| 2014-11-09 02:25 | r2090 | |
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Rather than amping everyone, find little units. How easy it is to integrate it into the whole. This is both about politics and software design. Where people makes small contributions to integrate into the whole.
- Software has something amazing — better styles for arguing and integration — I hope politics adopt that. If you look at how people are arguing on GitHub, that’s a profound model of arguing that says essentially “show you what you’d like to change and let someone else decidewhether to integrate it.”
+ Software has something amazing — better styles for arguing and integration — I hope politics adopt that. If you look at how people are arguing on GitHub, that’s a profound model of arguing that says essentially “show you what you’d like to change and let someone else decide whether to integrate it.”
It’s built-in modularity. Focusing on the integration of volunteers is what any movements need to consider.
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| 2014-11-09 02:25 | r2089 | |
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First of all, people mostly don't change their mind, they mostly change their emotions and the mind follows — Like my mental blue helmet — the food tent changed my emotions and made me one of the occupiers.
- If you concentrate on media as information, you're pl
+ If you concentrate on media as information, you're playing
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| 2014-11-09 02:25 | r2088 | |
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Rather than amping everyone, find little units. How easy it is to integrate it into the whole. This is both about politics and software design. Where people makes small contributions to integrate into the whole.
- Software has something amazing — better styles for arguing and integration — I hope politics adopt that. If you look at how people are arguing on GitHub, that’s a profound model of arguing that says essentially “show you what you’d like to change and let someone else decide whether to integrate it.”
+ Software has something amazing — better styles for arguing and integration — I hope politics adopt that. If you look at how people are arguing on GitHub, that’s a profound model of arguing that says essentially “show you what you’d like to change and let someone else decidewhether to integrate it.”
It’s built-in modularity. Focusing on the integration of volunteers is what any movements need to consider.
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| 2014-11-09 02:25 – 02:25 | r2086 – r2087 | |
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First of all, people mostly don't change their mind, they mostly change their emotions and the mind follows — Like my mental blue helmet — the food tent changed my emotions and made me one of the occupiers.
- If you concentrate on media as information, you'
+ If you concentrate on media as information, you're pl
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| 2014-11-09 02:25 | r2085 | |
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Rather than amping everyone, find little units. How easy it is to integrate it into the whole. This is both about politics and software design. Where people makes small contributions to integrate into the whole.
- Software has something amazing — better styles for arguing and integration — I hope politics adopt that. If you look at how people are arguing on GitHub, that’s a profound model of arguing that says essentially “show you what you’d like to change and let someone else decide whet to integrate it.”
+ Software has something amazing — better styles for arguing and integration — I hope politics adopt that. If you look at how people are arguing on GitHub, that’s a profound model of arguing that says essentially “show you what you’d like to change and let someone else decide whether to integrate it.”
It’s built-in modularity. Focusing on the integration of volunteers is what any movements need to consider.
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| 2014-11-09 02:25 | r2084 | |
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First of all, people mostly don't change their mind, they mostly change their emotions and the mind follows — Like my mental blue helmet — the food tent changed my emotions and made me one of the occupiers.
- If you concentrate on media as information,
+ If you concentrate on media as information, you'
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| 2014-11-09 02:25 | r2083 | |
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Rather than amping everyone, find little units. How easy it is to integrate it into the whole. This is both about politics and software design. Where people makes small contributions to integrate into the whole.
- Software has something amazing — better styles for arguing and integration — I hope politics adopt that. If you look at how people are arguing on GitHub, that’s a profound model of arguing that says essentially “show you what you’d like to change and let someone else decide wh to integrate it.”
+ Software has something amazing — better styles for arguing and integration — I hope politics adopt that. If you look at how people are arguing on GitHub, that’s a profound model of arguing that says essentially “show you what you’d like to change and let someone else decide whet to integrate it.”
It’s built-in modularity. Focusing on the integration of volunteers is what any movements need to consider.
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| 2014-11-09 02:25 | r2082 | |
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First of all, people mostly don't change their mind, they mostly change their emotions and the mind follows — Like my mental blue helmet — the food tent changed my emotions and made me one of the occupiers.
- If you concentrate on media as information
+ If you concentrate on media as information,
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| 2014-11-09 02:25 | r2081 | |
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Rather than amping everyone, find little units. How easy it is to integrate it into the whole. This is both about politics and software design. Where people makes small contributions to integrate into the whole.
- Software has something amazing — better styles for arguing and integration — I hope politics adopt that. If you look at how people are arguing on GitHub, that’s a profound model of arguing that says essentially “show you what you’d like to change and let someone else decide how to integrate it.”
+ Software has something amazing — better styles for arguing and integration — I hope politics adopt that. If you look at how people are arguing on GitHub, that’s a profound model of arguing that says essentially “show you what you’d like to change and let someone else decide wh to integrate it.”
It’s built-in modularity. Focusing on the integration of volunteers is what any movements need to consider.
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| 2014-11-09 02:25 | r2080 | |
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First of all, people mostly don't change their mind, they mostly change their emotions and the mind follows — Like my mental blue helmet — the food tent changed my emotions and made me one of the occupiers.
- If you concentrate on media as infor
+ If you concentrate on media as information
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| 2014-11-09 02:25 | r2079 | |
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Rather than amping everyone, find little units. How easy it is to integrate it into the whole. This is both about politics and software design. Where people makes small contributions to integrate into the whole.
- Software has something amazing — better styles for arguing and integration — I hope politics adopt that. If you look at how people are arguing on GitHub, that’s a profound model of arguing that says essentially “show you what you’d like to change and let someone else deci how to integrate it.”
+ Software has something amazing — better styles for arguing and integration — I hope politics adopt that. If you look at how people are arguing on GitHub, that’s a profound model of arguing that says essentially “show you what you’d like to change and let someone else decide how to integrate it.”
It’s built-in modularity. Focusing on the integration of volunteers is what any movements need to consider.
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| 2014-11-09 02:25 | r2078 | |
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First of all, people mostly don't change their mind, they mostly change their emotions and the mind follows — Like my mental blue helmet — the food tent changed my emotions and made me one of the occupiers.
- If you concentrate on media as i
+ If you concentrate on media as infor
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| 2014-11-09 02:25 | r2077 | |
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Rather than amping everyone, find little units. How easy it is to integrate it into the whole. This is both about politics and software design. Where people makes small contributions to integrate into the whole.
- Software has something amazing — better styles for arguing and integration — I hope politics adopt that. If you look at how people are arguing on GitHub, that’s a profound model of arguing that says essentially “show you what you’d like to change and let someone else d how to integrate it.”
+ Software has something amazing — better styles for arguing and integration — I hope politics adopt that. If you look at how people are arguing on GitHub, that’s a profound model of arguing that says essentially “show you what you’d like to change and let someone else deci how to integrate it.”
It’s built-in modularity. Focusing on the integration of volunteers is what any movements need to consider.
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| 2014-11-09 02:25 | r2076 | |
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First of all, people mostly don't change their mind, they mostly change their emotions and the mind follows — Like my mental blue helmet — the food tent changed my emotions and made me one of the occupiers.
- If you concentrate on media as
+ If you concentrate on media as i
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| 2014-11-09 02:25 | r2075 | |
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Rather than amping everyone, find little units. How easy it is to integrate it into the whole. This is both about politics and software design. Where people makes small contributions to integrate into the whole.
- Software has something amazing — better styles for arguing and integration — I hope politics adopt that. If you look at how people are arguing on GitHub, that’s a profound model of arguing that says essentially “show you what you’d like to change and let someone else how to integrate it.”
+ Software has something amazing — better styles for arguing and integration — I hope politics adopt that. If you look at how people are arguing on GitHub, that’s a profound model of arguing that says essentially “show you what you’d like to change and let someone else d how to integrate it.”
It’s built-in modularity. Focusing on the integration of volunteers is what any movements need to consider.
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| 2014-11-09 02:25 | r2074 | |
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First of all, people mostly don't change their mind, they mostly change their emotions and the mind follows — Like my mental blue helmet — the food tent changed my emotions and made me one of the occupiers.
- If you concentrate on media
+ If you concentrate on media as
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| 2014-11-09 02:25 | r2073 | |
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Rather than amping everyone, find little units. How easy it is to integrate it into the whole. This is both about politics and software design. Where people makes small contributions to integrate into the whole.
- Software has something amazing — better styles for arguing and integration — I hope politics adopt that. If you look at how people are arguing on GitHub, that’s a profound model of arguing that says essentially “show you what you’d like to change and let someone how to integrate it.”
+ Software has something amazing — better styles for arguing and integration — I hope politics adopt that. If you look at how people are arguing on GitHub, that’s a profound model of arguing that says essentially “show you what you’d like to change and let someone else how to integrate it.”
It’s built-in modularity. Focusing on the integration of volunteers is what any movements need to consider.
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| 2014-11-09 02:25 | r2072 | |
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First of all, people mostly don't change their mind, they mostly change their emotions and the mind follows — Like my mental blue helmet — the food tent changed my emotions and made me one of the occupiers.
- If you concentrate on
+ If you concentrate on media
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| 2014-11-09 02:25 | r2071 | |
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Rather than amping everyone, find little units. How easy it is to integrate it into the whole. This is both about politics and software design. Where people makes small contributions to integrate into the whole.
- Software has something amazing — better styles for arguing and integration — I hope politics adopt that. If you look at how people are arguing on GitHub, that’s a profound model of arguing that says essentially “show you what you’d like to change and let s how to integrate it.”
+ Software has something amazing — better styles for arguing and integration — I hope politics adopt that. If you look at how people are arguing on GitHub, that’s a profound model of arguing that says essentially “show you what you’d like to change and let someone how to integrate it.”
It’s built-in modularity. Focusing on the integration of volunteers is what any movements need to consider.
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| 2014-11-09 02:25 | r2070 | |
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First of all, people mostly don't change their mind, they mostly change their emotions and the mind follows — Like my mental blue helmet — the food tent changed my emotions and made me one of the occupiers.
- If you concentrate
+ If you concentrate on
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| 2014-11-09 02:25 | r2069 | |
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Rather than amping everyone, find little units. How easy it is to integrate it into the whole. This is both about politics and software design. Where people makes small contributions to integrate into the whole.
- Software has something amazing — better styles for arguing and integration — I hope politics adopt that. If you look at how people are arguing on GitHub, that’s a profound model of arguing that says essentially “show you what you’d like to change and let other design how to integrate it.”
+ Software has something amazing — better styles for arguing and integration — I hope politics adopt that. If you look at how people are arguing on GitHub, that’s a profound model of arguing that says essentially “show you what you’d like to change and let s how to integrate it.”
It’s built-in modularity. Focusing on the integration of volunteers is what any movements need to consider.
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| 2014-11-09 02:24 – 02:24 | r2059 – r2068 | |
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A:
First of all, people mostly don't change their mind, they mostly change their emotions and the mind follows — Like my mental blue helmet — the food tent changed my emotions and made me one of the occupiers.
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+ If you concentrate
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| 2014-11-09 02:24 | r2058 | |
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Rather than amping everyone, find little units. How easy it is to integrate it into the whole. This is both about politics and software design. Where people makes small contributions to integrate into the whole.
- Software has something amazing — better styles for arguing and integration — I hope politics adopt that. If you look at how people are arguing on GitHb, that’s a profound model of arguing that says essentially “show you what you’d like to change and let other design how to integrate it.”
+ Software has something amazing — better styles for arguing and integration — I hope politics adopt that. If you look at how people are arguing on GitHub, that’s a profound model of arguing that says essentially “show you what you’d like to change and let other design how to integrate it.”
It’s built-in modularity. Focusing on the integration of volunteers is what any movements need to consider.
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| 2014-11-09 02:24 | r2057 | |
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A:
- First of all, people mostly don't change their mind, they mostly change their emotions and the mind follows — Like my mental blue helmet — the food tent changed my emotions and made me one of the occupieer
+ First of all, people mostly don't change their mind, they mostly change their emotions and the mind follows — Like my mental blue helmet — the food tent changed my emotions and made me one of the occupiers.
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| 2014-11-09 02:24 | r2056 | |
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Rather than amping everyone, find little units. How easy it is to integrate it into the whole. This is both about politics and software design. Where people makes small contributions to integrate into the whole.
- Software has something amazing — better styles for arguing and integration — I hope politics adopt that. If you look at how people are arguing on GitHbu, that’s a profound model of arguing that says essentially “show you what you’d like to change and let other design how to integrate it.”
+ Software has something amazing — better styles for arguing and integration — I hope politics adopt that. If you look at how people are arguing on GitHb, that’s a profound model of arguing that says essentially “show you what you’d like to change and let other design how to integrate it.”
It’s built-in modularity. Focusing on the integration of volunteers is what any movements need to consider.
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| 2014-11-09 02:24 – 02:24 | r2022 – r2055 | |
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A:
- First of all, people mostly don't change their mind, they mostly change their emotions and the
+ First of all, people mostly don't change their mind, they mostly change their emotions and the mind follows — Like my mental blue helmet — the food tent changed my emotions and made me one of the occupieer
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| 2014-11-09 02:24 – 02:24 | r2020 – r2021 | |
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When we move from small to larger public, how small is the smallest useful unit. The smaller, it’s easier for recruit. Recruiting for scale is something you’d like to do.
2. How easy is it for people to raise their hand and say I can work on this problem — opaque or complex organization makes it harder for people to find there way in.
- In Occupy Wall Street I observed in 2011, I’ll go to the Park with a mental Blue Helmet “Not taking sides”. I got there, saw the people with their political signs — nothing surprises me — except the “shit is fu bullshit”
+ In Occupy Wall Street I observed in 2011, I’ll go to the Park with a mental Blue Helmet “Not taking sides”. I got there, saw the people with their political signs — nothing surprises me — except the “shit is fucked up and bullshit”
But walking into the Park and see people not holding signs but just talking to each other — I saw the food tent — not the signs — but just making sure people are fed and asking “how can I help?” I’m a casual occupier at that time, and I self-identify as occupier because it lets me find a little job and do it. I prepare coffee, help the food station, it’s little units.
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| 2014-11-09 02:24 | r2019 | |
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A:
- First of all, people mostly don't change their mind, they mostly change their emotions and
+ First of all, people mostly don't change their mind, they mostly change their emotions and the
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| 2014-11-09 02:24 | r2018 | |
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When we move from small to larger public, how small is the smallest useful unit. The smaller, it’s easier for recruit. Recruiting for scale is something you’d like to do.
2. How easy is it for people to raise their hand and say I can work on this problem — opaque or complex organization makes it harder for people to find there way in.
- In Occupy Wall Street I observed in 2011, I’ll go to the Park with a mental Blue Helmet “Not taking sides”. I got there, saw the people with their political signs — nothing surprises me — except the “s bullshit”
+ In Occupy Wall Street I observed in 2011, I’ll go to the Park with a mental Blue Helmet “Not taking sides”. I got there, saw the people with their political signs — nothing surprises me — except the “shit is fu bullshit”
But walking into the Park and see people not holding signs but just talking to each other — I saw the food tent — not the signs — but just making sure people are fed and asking “how can I help?” I’m a casual occupier at that time, and I self-identify as occupier because it lets me find a little job and do it. I prepare coffee, help the food station, it’s little units.
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| 2014-11-09 02:24 | r2017 | |
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A:
- First of all, people mostly don't change their mind, they mostly change their emotionsa
+ First of all, people mostly don't change their mind, they mostly change their emotions and
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| 2014-11-09 02:24 | r2016 | |
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When we move from small to larger public, how small is the smallest useful unit. The smaller, it’s easier for recruit. Recruiting for scale is something you’d like to do.
2. How easy is it for people to raise their hand and say I can work on this problem — opaque or complex organization makes it harder for people to find there way in.
- In Occupy Wall Street I observed in 2011, I’ll go to the Park with a mental Blue Helmet “Not taking sides”. I got there, saw the people with their political signs — nothing surprises me — except the “fuck all that bullshit”
+ In Occupy Wall Street I observed in 2011, I’ll go to the Park with a mental Blue Helmet “Not taking sides”. I got there, saw the people with their political signs — nothing surprises me — except the “s bullshit”
But walking into the Park and see people not holding signs but just talking to each other — I saw the food tent — not the signs — but just making sure people are fed and asking “how can I help?” I’m a casual occupier at that time, and I self-identify as occupier because it lets me find a little job and do it. I prepare coffee, help the food station, it’s little units.
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| 2014-11-09 02:24 – 02:24 | r1986 – r2015 | |
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Our colleagues and classmates, some of them are not used to this kind of tools either — on their Facebook walls are cats photos and games — but they won't read the things that may change their bias. What are your suggestions to motivate such people?
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+ A:
+ First of all, people mostly don't change their mind, they mostly change their emotionsa
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| 2014-11-09 02:24 – 02:24 | r1984 – r1985 | |
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There’s a lot of ways to look at the dilemma but no way to get out of it.
- Yochai Benkler's book: Coase's Penguindentifies three principles:
+ Yochai Benkler's book: Coase's Penguin identifies three principles:
1. How small is the smallest unit of participation?
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| 2014-11-09 02:24 | r1983 | |
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Our colleagues and classmates, some of them are not used to this kind of tools either — on their Facebook walls are cats photos and games — but they won't read the things that may change their bias. What are your suggestions to motivate such people?
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| 2014-11-09 02:24 | r1982 | |
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There’s a lot of ways to look at the dilemma but no way to get out of it.
- Yochai Benkler's book: Coase's Penguin
- dentifies three principles:
+ Yochai Benkler's book: Coase's Penguindentifies three principles:
1. How small is the smallest unit of participation?
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| 2014-11-09 02:24 | r1981 | |
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Hi I'm billy. Currently we find in Taiwan, most of people here does IT work and contribute to g0v. We are the minority however, we make awesome tools but people don't know about that. Older people may not actively seek out information, but passively consume newspapers and TV channels, which are obviously manipulated.
- Our colleagues and classmates, some of them are not used to this kind of tools either — on their Facebook walls are cats photos and games — but they won't read the things that may change their bias. What are your suggestions to motivate such peopl
+ Our colleagues and classmates, some of them are not used to this kind of tools either — on their Facebook walls are cats photos and games — but they won't read the things that may change their bias. What are your suggestions to motivate such people?
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| 2014-11-09 02:24 | r1980 | |
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Yochai Benkler's book: Coase's Penguin
- Identifies three principles:
+ dentifies three principles:
1. How small is the smallest unit of participation?
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| 2014-11-09 02:24 – 02:24 | r1973 – r1979 | |
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Hi I'm billy. Currently we find in Taiwan, most of people here does IT work and contribute to g0v. We are the minority however, we make awesome tools but people don't know about that. Older people may not actively seek out information, but passively consume newspapers and TV channels, which are obviously manipulated.
- Our colleagues and classmates, some of them are not used to this kind of tools either — on their Facebook walls are cats photos and games — but they won't read the things that may change their bias. What are your s
+ Our colleagues and classmates, some of them are not used to this kind of tools either — on their Facebook walls are cats photos and games — but they won't read the things that may change their bias. What are your suggestions to motivate such peopl
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| 2014-11-09 02:24 – 02:24 | r1961 – r1971 | |
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Hi I'm billy. Currently we find in Taiwan, most of people here does IT work and contribute to g0v. We are the minority however, we make awesome tools but people don't know about that. Older people may not actively seek out information, but passively consume newspapers and TV channels, which are obviously manipulated.
- Our colleagues and classmates, some of them are not used to this kind of tools either — on their Facebook walls are cats photos and games — but they won't read the things that may
+ Our colleagues and classmates, some of them are not used to this kind of tools either — on their Facebook walls are cats photos and games — but they won't read the things that may change their bias. What are your s
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| 2014-11-09 02:24 | r1960 | |
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There’s a lot of ways to look at the dilemma but no way to get out of it.
- Yochai Benkler's ook: Coase's Penguin
+ Yochai Benkler's book: Coase's Penguin
Identifies three principles:
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| 2014-11-09 02:24 | r1959 | |
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Hi I'm billy. Currently we find in Taiwan, most of people here does IT work and contribute to g0v. We are the minority however, we make awesome tools but people don't know about that. Older people may not actively seek out information, but passively consume newspapers and TV channels, which are obviously manipulated.
- Our colleagues and classmates, some of them are not used to this kind of tools either — on their Facebook walls are cats photos and games — but they won't read the things t
+ Our colleagues and classmates, some of them are not used to this kind of tools either — on their Facebook walls are cats photos and games — but they won't read the things that may
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| 2014-11-09 02:24 | r1958 | |
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There’s a lot of ways to look at the dilemma but no way to get out of it.
- Yochai Benkler's Book: Coase's Penguin
+ Yochai Benkler's ook: Coase's Penguin
Identifies three principles:
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| 2014-11-09 02:24 | r1957 | |
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Hi I'm billy. Currently we find in Taiwan, most of people here does IT work and contribute to g0v. We are the minority however, we make awesome tools but people don't know about that. Older people may not actively seek out information, but passively consume newspapers and TV channels, which are obviously manipulated.
- Our colleagues and classmates, some of them are not used to this kind of tools either — on their Facebook walls are cats photos and games — but they won't read the thin
+ Our colleagues and classmates, some of them are not used to this kind of tools either — on their Facebook walls are cats photos and games — but they won't read the things t
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| 2014-11-09 02:24 | r1956 | |
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There’s a lot of ways to look at the dilemma but no way to get out of it.
- Yochai BenklerBook: Coase's Penguin
+ Yochai Benkler's Book: Coase's Penguin
Identifies three principles:
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| 2014-11-09 02:24 | r1955 | |
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Hi I'm billy. Currently we find in Taiwan, most of people here does IT work and contribute to g0v. We are the minority however, we make awesome tools but people don't know about that. Older people may not actively seek out information, but passively consume newspapers and TV channels, which are obviously manipulated.
- Our colleagues and classmates, some of them are not used to this kind of tools either — on their Facebook walls are cats photos and games — but they won't read the thi
+ Our colleagues and classmates, some of them are not used to this kind of tools either — on their Facebook walls are cats photos and games — but they won't read the thin
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| 2014-11-09 02:24 | r1954 | |
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There’s a lot of ways to look at the dilemma but no way to get out of it.
- Yochai BenBook: Coase's Penguin
+ Yochai BenklerBook: Coase's Penguin
Identifies three principles:
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| 2014-11-09 02:24 | r1953 | |
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Hi I'm billy. Currently we find in Taiwan, most of people here does IT work and contribute to g0v. We are the minority however, we make awesome tools but people don't know about that. Older people may not actively seek out information, but passively consume newspapers and TV channels, which are obviously manipulated.
- Our colleagues and classmates, some of them are not used to this kind of tools either — on their Facebook walls are cats photos and games — but they won't read tht
+ Our colleagues and classmates, some of them are not used to this kind of tools either — on their Facebook walls are cats photos and games — but they won't read the thi
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| 2014-11-09 02:24 | r1952 | |
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There’s a lot of ways to look at the dilemma but no way to get out of it.
- Yochai BBook: Coase's Penguin
+ Yochai BenBook: Coase's Penguin
Identifies three principles:
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| 2014-11-09 02:24 | r1951 | |
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Hi I'm billy. Currently we find in Taiwan, most of people here does IT work and contribute to g0v. We are the minority however, we make awesome tools but people don't know about that. Older people may not actively seek out information, but passively consume newspapers and TV channels, which are obviously manipulated.
- Our colleagues and classmates, some of them are not used to this kind of tools either — on their Facebook walls are cats photos and games — but they won't read thte
+ Our colleagues and classmates, some of them are not used to this kind of tools either — on their Facebook walls are cats photos and games — but they won't read tht
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| 2014-11-09 02:24 – 02:24 | r1949 – r1950 | |
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There’s a lot of ways to look at the dilemma but no way to get out of it.
- YouBook: Coase's Penguin
+ Yochai BBook: Coase's Penguin
Identifies three principles:
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| 2014-11-09 02:24 – 02:24 | r1947 – r1948 | |
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Hi I'm billy. Currently we find in Taiwan, most of people here does IT work and contribute to g0v. We are the minority however, we make awesome tools but people don't know about that. Older people may not actively seek out information, but passively consume newspapers and TV channels, which are obviously manipulated.
- Our colleagues and classmates, some of them are not used to this kind of tools either — on their Facebook walls are cats photos and games — but they won't
+ Our colleagues and classmates, some of them are not used to this kind of tools either — on their Facebook walls are cats photos and games — but they won't read thte
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| 2014-11-09 02:24 | r1946 | |
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There’s a lot of ways to look at the dilemma but no way to get out of it.
- YoucBook: Coase's Penguin
+ YouBook: Coase's Penguin
Identifies three principles:
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| 2014-11-09 02:24 | r1945 | |
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Hi I'm billy. Currently we find in Taiwan, most of people here does IT work and contribute to g0v. We are the minority however, we make awesome tools but people don't know about that. Older people may not actively seek out information, but passively consume newspapers and TV channels, which are obviously manipulated.
- Our colleagues and classmates, some of them are not used to this kind of tools either — on their Facebook walls are cats photos and games — but they wo
+ Our colleagues and classmates, some of them are not used to this kind of tools either — on their Facebook walls are cats photos and games — but they won't
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| 2014-11-09 02:24 | r1944 | |
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There’s a lot of ways to look at the dilemma but no way to get out of it.
- Book: Coase's Penguin
+ YoucBook: Coase's Penguin
Identifies three principles:
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| 2014-11-09 02:24 | r1943 | |
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Hi I'm billy. Currently we find in Taiwan, most of people here does IT work and contribute to g0v. We are the minority however, we make awesome tools but people don't know about that. Older people may not actively seek out information, but passively consume newspapers and TV channels, which are obviously manipulated.
- Our colleagues and classmates, some of them are not used to this kind of tools either — on their Facebook walls are cats photos and games — but th
+ Our colleagues and classmates, some of them are not used to this kind of tools either — on their Facebook walls are cats photos and games — but they wo
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| 2014-11-09 02:24 | r1942 | |
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| 2014-11-09 02:23 – 02:23 | r1917 – r1941 | |
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Hi I'm billy. Currently we find in Taiwan, most of people here does IT work and contribute to g0v. We are the minority however, we make awesome tools but people don't know about that. Older people may not actively seek out information, but passively consume newspapers and TV channels, which are obviously manipulated.
- Our colleagues and classmates, some of them are not used to this ki
+ Our colleagues and classmates, some of them are not used to this kind of tools either — on their Facebook walls are cats photos and games — but th
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| 2014-11-09 02:23 | r1916 | |
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There’s a lot of ways to look at the dilemma but no way to get out of it.
- Book: Coase's Penguin(?)
+ Book: Coase's Penguin
Identifies three principles:
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| 2014-11-09 02:23 | r1915 | |
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Hi I'm billy. Currently we find in Taiwan, most of people here does IT work and contribute to g0v. We are the minority however, we make awesome tools but people don't know about that. Older people may not actively seek out information, but passively consume newspapers and TV channels, which are obviously manipulated.
- Our colleagues and classmates, some of them are not used to this k
+ Our colleagues and classmates, some of them are not used to this ki
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| 2014-11-09 02:23 | r1914 | |
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There’s a lot of ways to look at the dilemma but no way to get out of it.
- Book: Coase's Penguin(?)
+ Book: Coase's Penguin(?)
Identifies three principles:
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| 2014-11-09 02:23 | r1913 | |
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Hi I'm billy. Currently we find in Taiwan, most of people here does IT work and contribute to g0v. We are the minority however, we make awesome tools but people don't know about that. Older people may not actively seek out information, but passively consume newspapers and TV channels, which are obviously manipulated.
- Our colleagues and classmates, some of them are not used to this
+ Our colleagues and classmates, some of them are not used to this k
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| 2014-11-09 02:23 | r1912 | |
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There’s a lot of ways to look at the dilemma but no way to get out of it.
- Book: Coases Penguin(?)
+ Book: Coase's Penguin(?)
Identifies three principles:
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| 2014-11-09 02:23 | r1911 | |
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Hi I'm billy. Currently we find in Taiwan, most of people here does IT work and contribute to g0v. We are the minority however, we make awesome tools but people don't know about that. Older people may not actively seek out information, but passively consume newspapers and TV channels, which are obviously manipulated.
- Our colleagues and classmates, some of them are not used to t
+ Our colleagues and classmates, some of them are not used to this
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| 2014-11-09 02:23 | r1910 | |
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There’s a lot of ways to look at the dilemma but no way to get out of it.
- Book: Coase;s Penguin(?)
+ Book: Coases Penguin(?)
Identifies three principles:
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| 2014-11-09 02:23 | r1909 | |
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Hi I'm billy. Currently we find in Taiwan, most of people here does IT work and contribute to g0v. We are the minority however, we make awesome tools but people don't know about that. Older people may not actively seek out information, but passively consume newspapers and TV channels, which are obviously manipulated.
- Our colleagues and classmates, some of them are not used to th
+ Our colleagues and classmates, some of them are not used to t
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| 2014-11-09 02:23 | r1908 | |
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There’s a lot of ways to look at the dilemma but no way to get out of it.
- Book: Coase;s of the Penguin(?)
+ Book: Coase;s Penguin(?)
Identifies three principles:
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| 2014-11-09 02:23 – 02:23 | r1906 – r1907 | |
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Hi I'm billy. Currently we find in Taiwan, most of people here does IT work and contribute to g0v. We are the minority however, we make awesome tools but people don't know about that. Older people may not actively seek out information, but passively consume newspapers and TV channels, which are obviously manipulated.
- Our colleagues and classmates, some of them are not used t
+ Our colleagues and classmates, some of them are not used to th
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| 2014-11-09 02:23 | r1905 | |
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There’s a lot of ways to look at the dilemma but no way to get out of it.
- Book: Coase of the Penguin(?)
+ Book: Coase;s of the Penguin(?)
Identifies three principles:
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| 2014-11-09 02:23 | r1904 | |
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Hi I'm billy. Currently we find in Taiwan, most of people here does IT work and contribute to g0v. We are the minority however, we make awesome tools but people don't know about that. Older people may not actively seek out information, but passively consume newspapers and TV channels, which are obviously manipulated.
- Our colleagues and classmates, some of them are not us
+ Our colleagues and classmates, some of them are not used t
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| 2014-11-09 02:23 | r1903 | |
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There’s a lot of ways to look at the dilemma but no way to get out of it.
- Book: Coases of the Penguin(?)
+ Book: Coase of the Penguin(?)
Identifies three principles:
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| 2014-11-09 02:23 | r1902 | |
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Hi I'm billy. Currently we find in Taiwan, most of people here does IT work and contribute to g0v. We are the minority however, we make awesome tools but people don't know about that. Older people may not actively seek out information, but passively consume newspapers and TV channels, which are obviously manipulated.
- Our colleagues and classmates, some of them are no
+ Our colleagues and classmates, some of them are not us
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| 2014-11-09 02:23 | r1901 | |
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There’s a lot of ways to look at the dilemma but no way to get out of it.
- Book: Coases' of the Penguin(?)
+ Book: Coases of the Penguin(?)
Identifies three principles:
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| 2014-11-09 02:23 | r1900 | |
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Hi I'm billy. Currently we find in Taiwan, most of people here does IT work and contribute to g0v. We are the minority however, we make awesome tools but people don't know about that. Older people may not actively seek out information, but passively consume newspapers and TV channels, which are obviously manipulated.
- Our colleagues and classmates, some of them ar
+ Our colleagues and classmates, some of them are no
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| 2014-11-09 02:23 | r1899 | |
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There’s a lot of ways to look at the dilemma but no way to get out of it.
- Book: Coas of the Penguin(?)
+ Book: Coases' of the Penguin(?)
Identifies three principles:
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| 2014-11-09 02:23 | r1898 | |
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Hi I'm billy. Currently we find in Taiwan, most of people here does IT work and contribute to g0v. We are the minority however, we make awesome tools but people don't know about that. Older people may not actively seek out information, but passively consume newspapers and TV channels, which are obviously manipulated.
- Our colleagues and classmates, some of
+ Our colleagues and classmates, some of them ar
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| 2014-11-09 02:23 | r1897 | |
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There’s a lot of ways to look at the dilemma but no way to get out of it.
- Book: C of the Penguin(?)
+ Book: Coas of the Penguin(?)
Identifies three principles:
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| 2014-11-09 02:23 | r1896 | |
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Hi I'm billy. Currently we find in Taiwan, most of people here does IT work and contribute to g0v. We are the minority however, we make awesome tools but people don't know about that. Older people may not actively seek out information, but passively consume newspapers and TV channels, which are obviously manipulated.
- Our colleagues and classmates, s
+ Our colleagues and classmates, some of
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| 2014-11-09 02:23 | r1895 | |
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There’s a lot of ways to look at the dilemma but no way to get out of it.
- Book: Cost of the Penguin(?)
+ Book: C of the Penguin(?)
Identifies three principles:
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| 2014-11-09 02:23 – 02:23 | r1883 – r1894 | |
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Hi I'm billy. Currently we find in Taiwan, most of people here does IT work and contribute to g0v. We are the minority however, we make awesome tools but people don't know about that. Older people may not actively seek out information, but passively consume newspapers and TV channels, which are obviously manipulated.
+ Our colleagues and classmates, s
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| 2014-11-09 02:23 | r1882 | |
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| 2014-11-09 02:23 – 02:23 | r1841 – r1881 | |
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Q:
- Hi I'm billy. Currently we find in Taiwan, most of people here does IT work and contribute to g0v. We are the minority however, we make awesome tools but people don't kmnow
+ Hi I'm billy. Currently we find in Taiwan, most of people here does IT work and contribute to g0v. We are the minority however, we make awesome tools but people don't know about that. Older people may not actively seek out information, but passively consume newspapers and TV channels, which are obviously manipulated.
+
+
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| 2014-11-09 02:23 | r1840 | |
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Brooks’s mythical man-month, observation of IBM’s projects. IBM always have delayed shipping schedules — not that anyone here has that problem — so IBM will add new people to “speed things up”, but Brooks observes it ALWAYS slows things down.
- So it’s Brook’s Law: Adding more people to a lproject makes it later.
+ So it’s Brook’s Law: Adding more people to a late project makes it later.
The reason is of communication overhead of shared participation.
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| 2014-11-09 02:23 | r1839 | |
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Q:
- Hi I'm billy. Currently we find in Taiwan, most of people here does IT work and contribute to g0v. We are the minority however, we make awesome tools but people don't kmnow
+ Hi I'm billy. Currently we find in Taiwan, most of people here does IT work and contribute to g0v. We are the minority however, we make awesome tools but people don't kmnow
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| 2014-11-09 02:23 | r1838 | |
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Brooks’s mythical man-month, observation of IBM’s projects. IBM always have delayed shipping schedules — not that anyone here has that problem — so IBM will add new people to “speed things up”, but Brooks observes it ALWAYS slows things down.
- So it’s Brook’s Law: Adding more people to a project makes it later.
+ So it’s Brook’s Law: Adding more people to a lproject makes it later.
The reason is of communication overhead of shared participation.
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| 2014-11-09 02:23 – 02:23 | r1830 – r1837 | |
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Q:
- Hi I'm billy. Currently we find in Taiwan, most of people here does IT work and contribute to g0v. We are the minority however, we mak
+ Hi I'm billy. Currently we find in Taiwan, most of people here does IT work and contribute to g0v. We are the minority however, we make awesome tools but people don't kmnow
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| 2014-11-09 02:23 | r1829 | |
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| 2014-11-09 02:22 – 02:23 | r1791 – r1828 | |
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Q:
+ Hi I'm billy. Currently we find in Taiwan, most of people here does IT work and contribute to g0v. We are the minority however, we mak
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| 2014-11-09 02:22 – 02:22 | r1785 – r1790 | |
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1. Modularity
2. Bridging capital vs bonding capital
- 3. Consensus vs. decise
+ 3. Consensus vs. decisiveness
Let’s start with a basic observation as I sketched on the whiteboard.
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| 2014-11-09 02:22 | r1784 | |
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Multi-ethnic relation in Malaysia. We have a lot of work on that. The government — I appreciate what they do _ is really helping in this regard.
- Q
+ Q:
+
+
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| 2014-11-09 02:22 | r1783 | |
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*With the diagram here. The individual people the dots represent. They can choose how to behave. They have different sort of cultural expectation s of negotiation. They are not interchangeable parts. So two groups of five are difference.
the loomio vision is to teach people how to recognize the density, and the personal needs in relationship to the group's needs.
- 16 members in Loomio already, but we're functinoning really effectively, because we put in the effort in how you operate, and developing the ways o scale but looking into the needs of each other, inste of being ego-centric.
+ 16 members in Loomio already, but we're functinoning really effectively, because we put in the effort in how you operate, and developing the ways o scale but looking into the needs of each other, instead of being ego-centric.
Clay: This is simplified diagram. Culture is key. Modularity is a key thing, where I trust the group to do the things over there. But I think the Q of culture is a huge dilemma for us in the US around the movements, is daunting for any liberal people. It's more difficult in a racially diverse groups. IT's like the worst news for us. In a community who's diversified, the consensus rate goes down.
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| 2014-11-09 02:22 | r1782 | |
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1. Modularity
2. Bridging capital vs bonding capital
- 3. Consensus vs. decis
+ 3. Consensus vs. decise
Let’s start with a basic observation as I sketched on the whiteboard.
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| 2014-11-09 02:22 | r1781 | |
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Multi-ethnic relation in Malaysia. We have a lot of work on that. The government — I appreciate what they do _ is really helping in this regard.
-
+ Q
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| 2014-11-09 02:22 | r1780 | |
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*With the diagram here. The individual people the dots represent. They can choose how to behave. They have different sort of cultural expectation s of negotiation. They are not interchangeable parts. So two groups of five are difference.
the loomio vision is to teach people how to recognize the density, and the personal needs in relationship to the group's needs.
- 16 members in Loomio already, but we're functinoning really effectively, because we put in the effort in how you operate, and developing the ways o scale but looking into the needs of each other, ins of being ego-centric.
+ 16 members in Loomio already, but we're functinoning really effectively, because we put in the effort in how you operate, and developing the ways o scale but looking into the needs of each other, inste of being ego-centric.
Clay: This is simplified diagram. Culture is key. Modularity is a key thing, where I trust the group to do the things over there. But I think the Q of culture is a huge dilemma for us in the US around the movements, is daunting for any liberal people. It's more difficult in a racially diverse groups. IT's like the worst news for us. In a community who's diversified, the consensus rate goes down.
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| 2014-11-09 02:22 | r1779 | |
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1. Modularity
2. Bridging capital vs bonding capital
- 3. Consensus vs.
+ 3. Consensus vs. decis
Let’s start with a basic observation as I sketched on the whiteboard.
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| 2014-11-09 02:22 | r1778 | |
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*With the diagram here. The individual people the dots represent. They can choose how to behave. They have different sort of cultural expectation s of negotiation. They are not interchangeable parts. So two groups of five are difference.
the loomio vision is to teach people how to recognize the density, and the personal needs in relationship to the group's needs.
- 16 members in Loomio already, but we're functinoning really effectively, because we put in the effort in how you operate, and developing the ways o scale but looking into the needs of each other, i of being ego-centric.
+ 16 members in Loomio already, but we're functinoning really effectively, because we put in the effort in how you operate, and developing the ways o scale but looking into the needs of each other, ins of being ego-centric.
Clay: This is simplified diagram. Culture is key. Modularity is a key thing, where I trust the group to do the things over there. But I think the Q of culture is a huge dilemma for us in the US around the movements, is daunting for any liberal people. It's more difficult in a racially diverse groups. IT's like the worst news for us. In a community who's diversified, the consensus rate goes down.
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| 2014-11-09 02:22 | r1777 | |
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Multi-ethnic relation in Malaysia. We have a lot of work on that. The government — I appreciate what they do _ is really helping in this regard.
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1. Modularity
2. Bridging capital vs bonding capital
- 3. Consensus
+ 3. Consensus vs.
Let’s start with a basic observation as I sketched on the whiteboard.
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| 2014-11-09 02:22 | r1775 | |
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*With the diagram here. The individual people the dots represent. They can choose how to behave. They have different sort of cultural expectation s of negotiation. They are not interchangeable parts. So two groups of five are difference.
the loomio vision is to teach people how to recognize the density, and the personal needs in relationship to the group's needs.
- 16 members in Loomio already, but we're functinoning really effectively, because we put in the effort in how you operate, and developing the ways o scale but looking into the needs of each other, isntead of being ego-centric.
+ 16 members in Loomio already, but we're functinoning really effectively, because we put in the effort in how you operate, and developing the ways o scale but looking into the needs of each other, i of being ego-centric.
Clay: This is simplified diagram. Culture is key. Modularity is a key thing, where I trust the group to do the things over there. But I think the Q of culture is a huge dilemma for us in the US around the movements, is daunting for any liberal people. It's more difficult in a racially diverse groups. IT's like the worst news for us. In a community who's diversified, the consensus rate goes down.
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| 2014-11-09 02:22 | r1774 | |
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Argument on Github is also issues. Code issues vs Political issues is testabiliy and focus. I agree what you're saying. Iranian is the June uprising.
- Multi-ethnic relation in Malaysia. We have a lot of work on that. The government — I appreciate what they do _ is really helping in this reg
+ Multi-ethnic relation in Malaysia. We have a lot of work on that. The government — I appreciate what they do _ is really helping in this regard.
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1. Modularity
2. Bridging capital vs bonding capital
- 3. Consensus
+ 3. Consensus
Let’s start with a basic observation as I sketched on the whiteboard.
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| 2014-11-09 02:22 – 02:22 | r1771 – r1772 | |
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Argument on Github is also issues. Code issues vs Political issues is testabiliy and focus. I agree what you're saying. Iranian is the June uprising.
- Multi-ethnic relation in Malaysia. We have a lot of work on that. The government — I appreciate what they do _ is really helping
+ Multi-ethnic relation in Malaysia. We have a lot of work on that. The government — I appreciate what they do _ is really helping in this reg
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| 2014-11-09 02:22 | r1770 | |
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*With the diagram here. The individual people the dots represent. They can choose how to behave. They have different sort of cultural expectation s of negotiation. They are not interchangeable parts. So two groups of five are difference.
the loomio vision is to teach people how to recognize the density, and the personal needs in relationship to the group's needs.
- 16 members in Loomio already, but we're functinoning really effectively, because we put in the effort in how you operate, and developing the ways o scale but looking into the needs of eac other, isntead of being ego-centric.
+ 16 members in Loomio already, but we're functinoning really effectively, because we put in the effort in how you operate, and developing the ways o scale but looking into the needs of each other, isntead of being ego-centric.
Clay: This is simplified diagram. Culture is key. Modularity is a key thing, where I trust the group to do the things over there. But I think the Q of culture is a huge dilemma for us in the US around the movements, is daunting for any liberal people. It's more difficult in a racially diverse groups. IT's like the worst news for us. In a community who's diversified, the consensus rate goes down.
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| 2014-11-09 02:22 | r1769 | |
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Argument on Github is also issues. Code issues vs Political issues is testabiliy and focus. I agree what you're saying. Iranian is the June uprising.
- Multi-ethnic relation in Malaysia. We have a lot of work on that. The government — I appreciate what they do _ is really helping
+ Multi-ethnic relation in Malaysia. We have a lot of work on that. The government — I appreciate what they do _ is really helping
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| 2014-11-09 02:22 | r1768 | |
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*With the diagram here. The individual people the dots represent. They can choose how to behave. They have different sort of cultural expectation s of negotiation. They are not interchangeable parts. So two groups of five are difference.
the loomio vision is to teach people how to recognize the density, and the personal needs in relationship to the group's needs.
- 16 members in Loomio already, but we're functinoning really effectively, because we put in the effort in how you operate, and developing the ways o scale but looking into the needs of e other, isntead of being ego-centric.
+ 16 members in Loomio already, but we're functinoning really effectively, because we put in the effort in how you operate, and developing the ways o scale but looking into the needs of eac other, isntead of being ego-centric.
Clay: This is simplified diagram. Culture is key. Modularity is a key thing, where I trust the group to do the things over there. But I think the Q of culture is a huge dilemma for us in the US around the movements, is daunting for any liberal people. It's more difficult in a racially diverse groups. IT's like the worst news for us. In a community who's diversified, the consensus rate goes down.
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| 2014-11-09 02:22 | r1767 | |
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Argument on Github is also issues. Code issues vs Political issues is testabiliy and focus. I agree what you're saying. Iranian is the June uprising.
- Multi-ethnic relation in Malaysia. We have a lot of work on that. The government — I appreciate what they do _ is really h
+ Multi-ethnic relation in Malaysia. We have a lot of work on that. The government — I appreciate what they do _ is really helping
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| 2014-11-09 02:22 | r1766 | |
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*With the diagram here. The individual people the dots represent. They can choose how to behave. They have different sort of cultural expectation s of negotiation. They are not interchangeable parts. So two groups of five are difference.
the loomio vision is to teach people how to recognize the density, and the personal needs in relationship to the group's needs.
- 16 members in Loomio already, but we're functinoning really effectively, because we put in the effort in how you operate, and developing the ways o scale but looking into the needs of eavch other, isntead of being ego-centric.
+ 16 members in Loomio already, but we're functinoning really effectively, because we put in the effort in how you operate, and developing the ways o scale but looking into the needs of e other, isntead of being ego-centric.
Clay: This is simplified diagram. Culture is key. Modularity is a key thing, where I trust the group to do the things over there. But I think the Q of culture is a huge dilemma for us in the US around the movements, is daunting for any liberal people. It's more difficult in a racially diverse groups. IT's like the worst news for us. In a community who's diversified, the consensus rate goes down.
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| 2014-11-09 02:22 – 02:22 | r1763 – r1765 | |
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Argument on Github is also issues. Code issues vs Political issues is testabiliy and focus. I agree what you're saying. Iranian is the June uprising.
- Multi-ethnic relation in Malaysia. We have a lot of work on that. The government — I appreciate what they do _ i
+ Multi-ethnic relation in Malaysia. We have a lot of work on that. The government — I appreciate what they do _ is really h
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| 2014-11-09 02:22 | r1762 | |
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*With the diagram here. The individual people the dots represent. They can choose how to behave. They have different sort of cultural expectation s of negotiation. They are not interchangeable parts. So two groups of five are difference.
the loomio vision is to teach people how to recognize the density, and the personal needs in relationship to the group's needs.
- 16 members in Loomio already, but we're functinoning really effectively, because we put in the effort in how you operate, and developing the ways o s but looking into the needs of eavch other, isntead of being ego-centric.
+ 16 members in Loomio already, but we're functinoning really effectively, because we put in the effort in how you operate, and developing the ways o scale but looking into the needs of eavch other, isntead of being ego-centric.
Clay: This is simplified diagram. Culture is key. Modularity is a key thing, where I trust the group to do the things over there. But I think the Q of culture is a huge dilemma for us in the US around the movements, is daunting for any liberal people. It's more difficult in a racially diverse groups. IT's like the worst news for us. In a community who's diversified, the consensus rate goes down.
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| 2014-11-09 02:22 | r1761 | |
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Argument on Github is also issues. Code issues vs Political issues is testabiliy and focus. I agree what you're saying. Iranian is the June uprising.
- Multi-ethnic relation in Malaysia. We have a lot of work on that. The government — I appreciate what they do _
+ Multi-ethnic relation in Malaysia. We have a lot of work on that. The government — I appreciate what they do _ i
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| 2014-11-09 02:22 | r1760 | |
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*With the diagram here. The individual people the dots represent. They can choose how to behave. They have different sort of cultural expectation s of negotiation. They are not interchangeable parts. So two groups of five are difference.
the loomio vision is to teach people how to recognize the density, and the personal needs in relationship to the group's needs.
- 16 members in Loomio already, but we're functinoning really effectively, because we put in the effort in how you operate, and developing the ways o sclae but looking into the needs of eavch other, isntead of being ego-centric.
+ 16 members in Loomio already, but we're functinoning really effectively, because we put in the effort in how you operate, and developing the ways o s but looking into the needs of eavch other, isntead of being ego-centric.
Clay: This is simplified diagram. Culture is key. Modularity is a key thing, where I trust the group to do the things over there. But I think the Q of culture is a huge dilemma for us in the US around the movements, is daunting for any liberal people. It's more difficult in a racially diverse groups. IT's like the worst news for us. In a community who's diversified, the consensus rate goes down.
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| 2014-11-09 02:22 – 02:22 | r1746 – r1759 | |
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Argument on Github is also issues. Code issues vs Political issues is testabiliy and focus. I agree what you're saying. Iranian is the June uprising.
- Multi-ethnic relation in Malaysia. We have a lot of work
+ Multi-ethnic relation in Malaysia. We have a lot of work on that. The government — I appreciate what they do _
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| 2014-11-09 02:22 | r1745 | |
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*Arguments on github. that's disagreement by contribution. Instead of just saying n, say "how about this instead." I think it's a key component, the alternative part.
*With the diagram here. The individual people the dots represent. They can choose how to behave. They have different sort of cultural expectation s of negotiation. They are not interchangeable parts. So two groups of five are difference.
- the loomio vision is to teach peop how to recognize the density, and the personal needs in relationship to the group's needs.
+ the loomio vision is to teach people how to recognize the density, and the personal needs in relationship to the group's needs.
16 members in Loomio already, but we're functinoning really effectively, because we put in the effort in how you operate, and developing the ways o sclae but looking into the needs of eavch other, isntead of being ego-centric.
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| 2014-11-09 02:22 | r1744 | |
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Argument on Github is also issues. Code issues vs Political issues is testabiliy and focus. I agree what you're saying. Iranian is the June uprising.
- Multi-ethnic relation in Malaysia. We have a lot of
+ Multi-ethnic relation in Malaysia. We have a lot of work
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| 2014-11-09 02:22 – 02:22 | r1742 – r1743 | |
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*Arguments on github. that's disagreement by contribution. Instead of just saying n, say "how about this instead." I think it's a key component, the alternative part.
*With the diagram here. The individual people the dots represent. They can choose how to behave. They have different sort of cultural expectation s of negotiation. They are not interchangeable parts. So two groups of five are difference.
- the loomio vision is to teach p how to recognize the density, and the personal needs in relationship to the group's needs.
+ the loomio vision is to teach peop how to recognize the density, and the personal needs in relationship to the group's needs.
16 members in Loomio already, but we're functinoning really effectively, because we put in the effort in how you operate, and developing the ways o sclae but looking into the needs of eavch other, isntead of being ego-centric.
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| 2014-11-09 02:22 | r1741 | |
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Argument on Github is also issues. Code issues vs Political issues is testabiliy and focus. I agree what you're saying. Iranian is the June uprising.
- Multi-ethnic relation in Malaysia. We have a lot o
+ Multi-ethnic relation in Malaysia. We have a lot of
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| 2014-11-09 02:22 | r1740 | |
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*Arguments on github. that's disagreement by contribution. Instead of just saying n, say "how about this instead." I think it's a key component, the alternative part.
*With the diagram here. The individual people the dots represent. They can choose how to behave. They have different sort of cultural expectation s of negotiation. They are not interchangeable parts. So two groups of five are difference.
- the loomio vision is to teach epopel how to recognize the density, and the personal needs in relationship to the group's needs.
+ the loomio vision is to teach p how to recognize the density, and the personal needs in relationship to the group's needs.
16 members in Loomio already, but we're functinoning really effectively, because we put in the effort in how you operate, and developing the ways o sclae but looking into the needs of eavch other, isntead of being ego-centric.
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| 2014-11-09 02:20 – 02:22 | r1544 – r1739 | |
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Clay: This is simplified diagram. Culture is key. Modularity is a key thing, where I trust the group to do the things over there. But I think the Q of culture is a huge dilemma for us in the US around the movements, is daunting for any liberal people. It's more difficult in a racially diverse groups. IT's like the worst news for us. In a community who's diversified, the consensus rate goes down.
- So in multiethnci grou
+ So in multiethnci groups. we have to create artificially increase social capital in the context of multi-ethnic groups. It's also daunting that the two groups who do best with racial integration is Mliltary and Sport teams, because have have clear objectsives and identifieable enemy. It's difficult, but possible, and picking up is something we have to do.
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+ GitHub is great. I love that they are called "commits" — If you are not "committing" I'm not interested. .
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+ Q:
+ Argument on Github is also issues. Code issues vs Political issues is testabiliy and focus. I agree what you're saying. Iranian is the June uprising.
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+ Multi-ethnic relation in Malaysia. We have a lot o
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| 2014-11-09 02:20 | r1543 | |
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16 members in Loomio already, but we're functinoning really effectively, because we put in the effort in how you operate, and developing the ways o sclae but looking into the needs of eavch other, isntead of being ego-centric.
- Clay: This is simplified diagram. Culture is key. Modularity is a key thing, where I trust the group to do the things over there But I think the Q of culture is a huge dilemma for us in the US around the movements, is daunting for any liberal people. It's more difficult in a racially diverse groups. IT's like the worst news for us. In a community who's diversified, the consensus rate goes down.
+ Clay: This is simplified diagram. Culture is key. Modularity is a key thing, where I trust the group to do the things over there. But I think the Q of culture is a huge dilemma for us in the US around the movements, is daunting for any liberal people. It's more difficult in a racially diverse groups. IT's like the worst news for us. In a community who's diversified, the consensus rate goes down.
So in multiethnci grou
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| 2014-11-09 02:20 | r1542 | |
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Clay: This is simplified diagram. Culture is key. Modularity is a key thing, where I trust the group to do the things over there But I think the Q of culture is a huge dilemma for us in the US around the movements, is daunting for any liberal people. It's more difficult in a racially diverse groups. IT's like the worst news for us. In a community who's diversified, the consensus rate goes down.
- So in multiethnci
+ So in multiethnci grou
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| 2014-11-09 02:20 | r1541 | |
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16 members in Loomio already, but we're functinoning really effectively, because we put in the effort in how you operate, and developing the ways o sclae but looking into the needs of eavch other, isntead of being ego-centric.
- Clay: This is simplified diagram. Culture is key. Modularity is a key thing, where I trust the group to do the things over ther.e But I think the Q of culture is a huge dilemma for us in the US around the movements, is daunting for any liberal people. It's more difficult in a racially diverse groups. IT's like the worst news for us. In a community who's diversified, the consensus rate goes down.
+ Clay: This is simplified diagram. Culture is key. Modularity is a key thing, where I trust the group to do the things over there But I think the Q of culture is a huge dilemma for us in the US around the movements, is daunting for any liberal people. It's more difficult in a racially diverse groups. IT's like the worst news for us. In a community who's diversified, the consensus rate goes down.
So in multiethnci
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| 2014-11-09 02:20 – 02:20 | r1507 – r1540 | |
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16 members in Loomio already, but we're functinoning really effectively, because we put in the effort in how you operate, and developing the ways o sclae but looking into the needs of eavch other, isntead of being ego-centric.
- Clay: This is simplified diagram. Culture is key. Modularity is a key thing, where I trust the group to do the things over ther.e But I think the Q of culture is a huge dilemma for us in the US around the movements, is daunting for any liberal people. It's more difficult in a racially diverse groups. IT's like the worst news f
+ Clay: This is simplified diagram. Culture is key. Modularity is a key thing, where I trust the group to do the things over ther.e But I think the Q of culture is a huge dilemma for us in the US around the movements, is daunting for any liberal people. It's more difficult in a racially diverse groups. IT's like the worst news for us. In a community who's diversified, the consensus rate goes down.
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+ So in multiethnci
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| 2014-11-09 02:20 | r1506 | |
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*Arguments on github. that's disagreement by contribution. Instead of just saying n, say "how about this instead." I think it's a key component, the alternative part.
*With the diagram here. The individual people the dots represent. They can choose how to behave. They have different sort of cultural expectation s of negotiation. They are not interchangeable parts. So two groups of five are difference.
- the loomio vision is to teach epopel how to recognize the density, and the personal needs in relationoship to the group's needs.
+ the loomio vision is to teach epopel how to recognize the density, and the personal needs in relationship to the group's needs.
16 members in Loomio already, but we're functinoning really effectively, because we put in the effort in how you operate, and developing the ways o sclae but looking into the needs of eavch other, isntead of being ego-centric.
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16 members in Loomio already, but we're functinoning really effectively, because we put in the effort in how you operate, and developing the ways o sclae but looking into the needs of eavch other, isntead of being ego-centric.
- Clay: This is simplified diagram. Culture is key. Modularity is a key thing, where I trust the group to do the things over ther.e But I think the Q of culture is a huge dilemma for us in the US around the movements, is daunting for any liberal people. It's more difficult in a racially diverse groups. IT's like the worst news
+ Clay: This is simplified diagram. Culture is key. Modularity is a key thing, where I trust the group to do the things over ther.e But I think the Q of culture is a huge dilemma for us in the US around the movements, is daunting for any liberal people. It's more difficult in a racially diverse groups. IT's like the worst news f
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| 2014-11-09 02:20 | r1504 | |
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*Arguments on github. that's disagreement by contribution. Instead of just saying n, say "how about this instead." I think it's a key component, the alternative part.
*With the diagram here. The individual people the dots represent. They can choose how to behave. They have different sort of cultural expectation s of negotiation. They are not interchangeable parts. So two groups of five are difference.
- the loomio vision is to teach epopel how to recognize the density, and the personal needs in relatinoship to the group's needs.
+ the loomio vision is to teach epopel how to recognize the density, and the personal needs in relationoship to the group's needs.
16 members in Loomio already, but we're functinoning really effectively, because we put in the effort in how you operate, and developing the ways o sclae but looking into the needs of eavch other, isntead of being ego-centric.
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| 2014-11-09 02:20 – 02:20 | r1499 – r1503 | |
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16 members in Loomio already, but we're functinoning really effectively, because we put in the effort in how you operate, and developing the ways o sclae but looking into the needs of eavch other, isntead of being ego-centric.
- Clay: This is simplified diagram. Culture is key. Modularity is a key thing, where I trust the group to do the things over ther.e But I think the Q of culture is a huge dilemma for us in the US around the movements, is daunting for any liberal people. It's more difficult in a racially diverse groups. IT's like th
+ Clay: This is simplified diagram. Culture is key. Modularity is a key thing, where I trust the group to do the things over ther.e But I think the Q of culture is a huge dilemma for us in the US around the movements, is daunting for any liberal people. It's more difficult in a racially diverse groups. IT's like the worst news
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| 2014-11-09 02:20 | r1498 | |
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*Arguments on github. that's disagreement by contribution. Instead of just saying n, say "how about this instead." I think it's a key component, the alternative part.
*With the diagram here. The individual people the dots represent. They can choose how to behave. They have different sort of cultural expectation s of negotiation. They are not interchangeable parts. So two groups of five are difference.
- the loomio vision i9s to teach epopel how to recognize the density, and the personal needs in relatinoship to the group's needs.
+ the loomio vision is to teach epopel how to recognize the density, and the personal needs in relatinoship to the group's needs.
16 members in Loomio already, but we're functinoning really effectively, because we put in the effort in how you operate, and developing the ways o sclae but looking into the needs of eavch other, isntead of being ego-centric.
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| 2014-11-09 02:19 – 02:20 | r1481 – r1497 | |
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16 members in Loomio already, but we're functinoning really effectively, because we put in the effort in how you operate, and developing the ways o sclae but looking into the needs of eavch other, isntead of being ego-centric.
- Clay: This is simplified diagram. Culture is key. Modularity is a key thing, where I trust the group to do the things over ther.e But I think the Q of culture is a huge dilemma for us in the US around the movements, is daunting for any liberal
+ Clay: This is simplified diagram. Culture is key. Modularity is a key thing, where I trust the group to do the things over ther.e But I think the Q of culture is a huge dilemma for us in the US around the movements, is daunting for any liberal people. It's more difficult in a racially diverse groups. IT's like th
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Q from Rich:
*Arguments on github. that's disagreement by contribution. Instead of just saying n, say "how about this instead." I think it's a key component, the alternative part.
- *With the diagram here. The individual people the dots represent. They can choose how to behave. They have different sort of cultural expecation s of negotiation. They are not interchangeable parts. So two groups of five are difference.
+ *With the diagram here. The individual people the dots represent. They can choose how to behave. They have different sort of cultural expectation s of negotiation. They are not interchangeable parts. So two groups of five are difference.
the loomio vision i9s to teach epopel how to recognize the density, and the personal needs in relatinoship to the group's needs.
16 members in Loomio already, but we're functinoning really effectively, because we put in the effort in how you operate, and developing the ways o sclae but looking into the needs of eavch other, isntead of being ego-centric.
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| 2014-11-09 02:19 – 02:19 | r1473 – r1479 | |
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16 members in Loomio already, but we're functinoning really effectively, because we put in the effort in how you operate, and developing the ways o sclae but looking into the needs of eavch other, isntead of being ego-centric.
- Clay: This is simplified diagram. Culture is key. Modularity is a key thing, where I trust the group to do the things over ther.e But I think the Q of culture is a huge dilemma for us in the US around the movements
+ Clay: This is simplified diagram. Culture is key. Modularity is a key thing, where I trust the group to do the things over ther.e But I think the Q of culture is a huge dilemma for us in the US around the movements, is daunting for any liberal
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Q from Rich:
*Arguments on github. that's disagreement by contribution. Instead of just saying n, say "how about this instead." I think it's a key component, the alternative part.
- *With the diagram here. The individual people the dots represent. They can choose how to behave. They have different sort of cultural expecation s of negotiationn. They are not interchangeable parts. So two groups of five are difference.
+ *With the diagram here. The individual people the dots represent. They can choose how to behave. They have different sort of cultural expecation s of negotiation. They are not interchangeable parts. So two groups of five are difference.
the loomio vision i9s to teach epopel how to recognize the density, and the personal needs in relatinoship to the group's needs.
16 members in Loomio already, but we're functinoning really effectively, because we put in the effort in how you operate, and developing the ways o sclae but looking into the needs of eavch other, isntead of being ego-centric.
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16 members in Loomio already, but we're functinoning really effectively, because we put in the effort in how you operate, and developing the ways o sclae but looking into the needs of eavch other, isntead of being ego-centric.
- Clay: This is simplified diagram. Culture is key. Modularity is a key thing, where I trust the group to do the things over ther.e But I think the Q of culture is a
+ Clay: This is simplified diagram. Culture is key. Modularity is a key thing, where I trust the group to do the things over ther.e But I think the Q of culture is a huge dilemma for us in the US around the movements
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Q from Rich:
*Arguments on github. that's disagreement by contribution. Instead of just saying n, say "how about this instead." I think it's a key component, the alternative part.
- *With the diagram here. The individual people the dots represent. They can choose how to behave. They have differenrt sort of cultural expecation s of negotiationn. They are not interchangeable parts. So two groups of five are difference.
+ *With the diagram here. The individual people the dots represent. They can choose how to behave. They have different sort of cultural expecation s of negotiationn. They are not interchangeable parts. So two groups of five are difference.
the loomio vision i9s to teach epopel how to recognize the density, and the personal needs in relatinoship to the group's needs.
16 members in Loomio already, but we're functinoning really effectively, because we put in the effort in how you operate, and developing the ways o sclae but looking into the needs of eavch other, isntead of being ego-centric.
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16 members in Loomio already, but we're functinoning really effectively, because we put in the effort in how you operate, and developing the ways o sclae but looking into the needs of eavch other, isntead of being ego-centric.
- Clay: This is simplified diagram. Culture is key. Modularity is a key thing, where I trust the group to do the things over ther.e But I think the Q of
+ Clay: This is simplified diagram. Culture is key. Modularity is a key thing, where I trust the group to do the things over ther.e But I think the Q of culture is a
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Q from Rich:
*Arguments on github. that's disagreement by contribution. Instead of just saying n, say "how about this instead." I think it's a key component, the alternative part.
- *With the diagram here. The individual people the dots represent. They can choose how to behave. They have differnrt sort of cultural expecation s of negotiationn. They are not interchangeable parts. So two groups of five are difference.
+ *With the diagram here. The individual people the dots represent. They can choose how to behave. They have differenrt sort of cultural expecation s of negotiationn. They are not interchangeable parts. So two groups of five are difference.
the loomio vision i9s to teach epopel how to recognize the density, and the personal needs in relatinoship to the group's needs.
16 members in Loomio already, but we're functinoning really effectively, because we put in the effort in how you operate, and developing the ways o sclae but looking into the needs of eavch other, isntead of being ego-centric.
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16 members in Loomio already, but we're functinoning really effectively, because we put in the effort in how you operate, and developing the ways o sclae but looking into the needs of eavch other, isntead of being ego-centric.
- Clay: This is simplified diagram. Culture is key. Modularity is a key thing, where I trust the group to do the things over ther.e But I think the Q o
+ Clay: This is simplified diagram. Culture is key. Modularity is a key thing, where I trust the group to do the things over ther.e But I think the Q of
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Q from Rich:
*Arguments on github. that's disagreement by contribution. Instead of just saying n, say "how about this instead." I think it's a key component, the alternative part.
- *With the diagram here. The individual people the dots represent. They can choose how to behave. They have diffenrt sort of cultural expecation s of negotiationn. They are not interchangeable parts. So two groups of five are difference.
+ *With the diagram here. The individual people the dots represent. They can choose how to behave. They have differnrt sort of cultural expecation s of negotiationn. They are not interchangeable parts. So two groups of five are difference.
the loomio vision i9s to teach epopel how to recognize the density, and the personal needs in relatinoship to the group's needs.
16 members in Loomio already, but we're functinoning really effectively, because we put in the effort in how you operate, and developing the ways o sclae but looking into the needs of eavch other, isntead of being ego-centric.
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16 members in Loomio already, but we're functinoning really effectively, because we put in the effort in how you operate, and developing the ways o sclae but looking into the needs of eavch other, isntead of being ego-centric.
- Clay: This is simplified diagram. Culture is key. Modularity is a
+ Clay: This is simplified diagram. Culture is key. Modularity is a key thing, where I trust the group to do the things over ther.e But I think the Q o
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Q from Rich:
- *Arguments on github. that's disagreement by contribution. Instead of just saying n, say "how about t instead." I think it's a key component, the alternative part.
+ *Arguments on github. that's disagreement by contribution. Instead of just saying n, say "how about this instead." I think it's a key component, the alternative part.
*With the diagram here. The individual people the dots represent. They can choose how to behave. They have diffenrt sort of cultural expecation s of negotiationn. They are not interchangeable parts. So two groups of five are difference.
the loomio vision i9s to teach epopel how to recognize the density, and the personal needs in relatinoship to the group's needs.
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16 members in Loomio already, but we're functinoning really effectively, because we put in the effort in how you operate, and developing the ways o sclae but looking into the needs of eavch other, isntead of being ego-centric.
- Clay: This is simplified diagram. Culture is key. Modularity is
+ Clay: This is simplified diagram. Culture is key. Modularity is a
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Q from Rich:
- *Arguments on github. that's disagreement by contribution. Instead of just saying n, say "how about htis instead." I think it's a key component, the alternative part.
+ *Arguments on github. that's disagreement by contribution. Instead of just saying n, say "how about t instead." I think it's a key component, the alternative part.
*With the diagram here. The individual people the dots represent. They can choose how to behave. They have diffenrt sort of cultural expecation s of negotiationn. They are not interchangeable parts. So two groups of five are difference.
the loomio vision i9s to teach epopel how to recognize the density, and the personal needs in relatinoship to the group's needs.
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16 members in Loomio already, but we're functinoning really effectively, because we put in the effort in how you operate, and developing the ways o sclae but looking into the needs of eavch other, isntead of being ego-centric.
- Clay: Thi
+ Clay: This is simplified diagram. Culture is key. Modularity is
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Q from Rich:
- *Arguments on github. that's disagreement by conyribution. Instead of just saying n, say "how about htis instead." I think it's a key component, the alternative part.
+ *Arguments on github. that's disagreement by contribution. Instead of just saying n, say "how about htis instead." I think it's a key component, the alternative part.
*With the diagram here. The individual people the dots represent. They can choose how to behave. They have diffenrt sort of cultural expecation s of negotiationn. They are not interchangeable parts. So two groups of five are difference.
the loomio vision i9s to teach epopel how to recognize the density, and the personal needs in relatinoship to the group's needs.
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*Keynote
+
+
+ It’s my great honor to introduce Clay Shirky, a professor in ShangHai at the moment, and we WILL have a book signing party.
+
+ Clay:
+
+ Thank you all. I talked to a bunch of people last night, I’m sorry to miss yesterday’s conf.
+
+ I’d like to do an un-keynote in the spirit of this unconference.
+
+ I want to talk in particular the problem of both political movements have with scale and the problems that people developing software for those movements.
+
+ 1. Modularity
+ 2. Bridging capital vs bonding capital
+ 3. Consensus
+
+ Let’s start with a basic observation as I sketched on the whiteboard.
+
+ Politics is getting people to come to an agreement. If two people have to agree, there’s one agreement. 3 people have 3, 4 have 6 pairs, 5 have 10 etc.
+
+ If you ever wonder why it gets more difficult the more people there is, the reason is MATH.
+
+ 10 gets you 45 lines. The experience we had in high school, it’s correct — the more people a group have, the harder it is for people to join, because a group means everyone knows everyone, so N people requires N+1 connection.
+
+ Brooks’s mythical man-month, observation of IBM’s projects. IBM always have delayed shipping schedules — not that anyone here has that problem — so IBM will add new people to “speed things up”, but Brooks observes it ALWAYS slows things down.
+
+ So it’s Brook’s Law: Adding more people to a project makes it later.
+
+ The reason is of communication overhead of shared participation.
+
+ If you’re digging ditches, then it scales linearly. The more coordinated the effort has to be, that harder for growth.
+
+ The way we put it in NYU is that scale defeats density and vice versa. You can’t have a tight-knit large group. 6 people goes to dinner, but you can’t have intimate conversation with 60 people. It’s not about people liking each other or not.
+
+ Even worse, that’s true for all imagined densities. You might say fine, “everyone knows half of the people in this room”. Even that density cannot be maintained for scale. For density >0, there is a moderately sized group where it destroys that density.
+
+ Groups get more complex faster than they get large.
+ If you double the group size, you quadruple the overhead of complexity.
+
+ This isn’t sociology and this isn’t politics, this is MATH.
+
+ So this is a dilemma.
+
+ Optimization: First one: Modularity.
+
+ Open Source projects tend to go modular with plugin architecture. Not when the codebase needs it, but when developers do. Whenever they are tired of painting this whole thing, that’s the thing that forces the modularity.
+
+ Larger code bases may require modularity.
+
+ Many political movements are a group of people in a room feeling the same way. That natural impulse to preserve the feeling is so good but you can’t maintain it in scale.
+
+ It’s a long-term problem, widely replicated. How you are get a small group of people who can look each other in the eye, to a large group of people who encompass a large range of interesters and skills.
+
+ There’s a lot of ways to look at the dilemma but no way to get out of it.
+
+ Book: Cost of the Penguin(?)
+ Identifies three principles:
+
+ 1. How small is the smallest unit of participation?
+ When we move from small to larger public, how small is the smallest useful unit. The smaller, it’s easier for recruit. Recruiting for scale is something you’d like to do.
+ 2. How easy is it for people to raise their hand and say I can work on this problem — opaque or complex organization makes it harder for people to find there way in.
+ In Occupy Wall Street I observed in 2011, I’ll go to the Park with a mental Blue Helmet “Not taking sides”. I got there, saw the people with their political signs — nothing surprises me — except the “fuck all that bullshit”
+
+ But walking into the Park and see people not holding signs but just talking to each other — I saw the food tent — not the signs — but just making sure people are fed and asking “how can I help?” I’m a casual occupier at that time, and I self-identify as occupier because it lets me find a little job and do it. I prepare coffee, help the food station, it’s little units.
+
+ Rather than amping everyone, find little units. How easy it is to integrate it into the whole. This is both about politics and software design. Where people makes small contributions to integrate into the whole.
+
+ Software has something amazing — better styles for arguing and integration — I hope politics adopt that. If you look at how people are arguing on GitHbu, that’s a profound model of arguing that says essentially “show you what you’d like to change and let other design how to integrate it.”
+
+ It’s built-in modularity. Focusing on the integration of volunteers is what any movements need to consider.
+
+ The second issue: Political movements must consider bridging social vs bonding social capital.
+
+ The diff between the two is this. Think of the list of people who will loan you 100 (US) dollars without asking.
+
+ If you are increasing bonding capital, you are increasing the number of such people — which you’ll pay back too — it’s trust.
+
+ Bridging is to increase the kind of people who would say “yes”. It matters is that the small group when you fell in love with, it is pure bonding capital.
+
+ If you look at the drawing here with 10 people and 45. Another way is two 5 groups with a bridge between them.
+
+ With two liaisons, that creates hierarchy of course, but the counter-risk is that you devolve into this hairball of complexity.
+
+ During the occupy movements, there’s multiple encampments all over the world. There’s never going to be a general assembly. So how can we increase the ties across the world?
+
+ Our goal was, every occupation needs two groups of two people, each knows two people in two other occupation. That’s the minimum RAID allocation that would survive severed connection. It’s the least dense possible arrangement. That’s the bridging capital.
+
+ We don’t need to understand or agree, but we do need to communicate.
+
+ How to build a movement from bonding to bridging capital is a huge design challenge.
+
+ If there’s a dozen people in the room, the answer you get is “That’s Diane” “that’s Sue” “That’s Scott”
+
+ 40 people, “head of production, Diane”, “chief of …” etc with titles.
+
+ Last one: Tensions between consensus and decisiveness.
+
+ Small groups tend to operate by consensus. Everyone has a Sense of the meeting, where everyone understands what’s going on. It’s what we know over and again, does not scale.
+
+ It’s a tragedy of the human condition. People commit to them but are defeated by scale.
+
+ there’s an amazing 1980 document. Where a group comes to fight the pharms and media around HIV and AIDS. In a matter of 10 days they created this incredible movement. It’s like consensus is great!
+
+ 10 days later another document. “We need an executive committee.”
+
+ It’s spinning out of control! Ultimately in less than 2 weeks, we’ve grown so fast we’re out of consensus range.
+
+ It’s a permanent problem for any group — software to get people across that would be fantastics.
+
+ To avoid mistake: Especially with people working on data and code for politics.
+
+ 45 years ago. Internet only had two programs, UUCP(?) and FTP.
+
+ It would be great to get people — scientist, researchers, remote access to data — for years, nothing happens — there’s no third-party programs.
+
+ Early 70s, where Email was ported from MIT, the internet took off.
+
+ The most significant thing is not code, not data, but the user. We have to have it. Whenever anything new arrives, we overestimate code and data but underestimate people.
+
+ So if you’re working on software that makes decision easier, you need to do the emotional piece, otherwise you’re treating people as machine.
+
+ My friend pointed out: A purely action-motivated movement can keep a year but peters out. Does the movement give a substantial time to take care of each other, is the key to going on.
+
+ “Taking care of each other” in the US is a radical idea. Strike Dad(?) Occupy Sandy (?) are the examples of success that focus on these kinds of models.
+
+ In the spirit of unconference and looking for ways to make progress, I’d say one of the persistent issues dated from the Iranian uprising, is that short term uprising is incredibly available now, but hashing out long-term commitment and communication is still week.
+
+ Density vs Scale, dealing with the Modularity and Consensus and Decisiveness, and Bonding and Bridging capital.
+
+ Do not overlook the need of the members who does anything — from coding to occupying — take time commitment to take care of each other, if the movement is going to last.
+
+ [[CL does Chinese translation of the transcript above]]
+ [[[Transcript is over here]]]
+
+ Any questions for the speaker?
+ [我的中文不好，對不起] says clay
+
+ Q from Rich:
+ *Arguments on github. that's disagreement by conyribution. Instead of just saying n, say "how about htis instead." I think it's a key component, the alternative part.
+ *With the diagram here. The individual people the dots represent. They can choose how to behave. They have diffenrt sort of cultural expecation s of negotiationn. They are not interchangeable parts. So two groups of five are difference.
+ the loomio vision i9s to teach epopel how to recognize the density, and the personal needs in relatinoship to the group's needs.
+ 16 members in Loomio already, but we're functinoning really effectively, because we put in the effort in how you operate, and developing the ways o sclae but looking into the needs of eavch other, isntead of being ego-centric.
+
+ Clay: Thi
+
+
+
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現場直播網址 (live url)、錄影紀錄網址 (video url)、照片紀錄網址 (photos url)
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[PA: We need extension cords!] [[extension cords arrive]]
+
+ CL: LOTS of people came to yesterday's venue — A group of people is being diverted back to this location — we'll wait a few minutes for them to arrive.
+
+ We have English<>Chinese live interpretation, the URL is available in the hackfoldr here. If you'd like to connect to the icecast station, please ask people around you for the URL and setting up VLC: http://i.summit.g0v.tw:8554/unconf
+
+ Please use AS_Public as Wifi, it should Just Work (tm).
+
+ Good Morning everyone! [VERY LOUD MUSIC]
+
+ I can't adjust the volume... Let me mute the video for now.
+
+ Let's try again. Welcome to the g0v unconference — most of people were here yesterday [[raises hands]] — This is the first time we have a unconference after a conference. We have bimonthly hackathons, but this time we'd like to try a different format.
+
+ So I'll start explaining what will happen today. Yesterday some people have proposed sessions already. You'll find paper on the whiteboard where you can put in whatever you'd like to discuss, work on, or collaborate, grouped slightly by topic.
+
+ We'll arrange the rooms, clustering together topics that are similar, so you'll be in the same room talking to each other. Tip for unconf: It's not a conference, just faciliate conversation and encourage people to participate and maybe come out with something.
+
+ We encourage you to find at least one person who takes notes for each session. We have a hackfoldr for the unconf here, and the hackpads are already there — see "Idea Pool" — so you can also put discussions here and related stuff, like a few ones there already.
+ So, we have 5 different rooms. This room will split into two. We have lunch outside, with an close room. 108 is toward the entrance.
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- This pad text is synchronized as you type, so that everyone viewing this page sees the same text. This allows you to collaborate seamlessly on documents!
+ More info: g0v summit 2014 hackfoldr
+
+ 現場直播網址 (live url)、錄影紀錄網址 (video url)、照片紀錄網址 (photos url)
+ ↓文字轉播、線上討論↓
+
+ *Opening
+ Hi everybody. This morning's keynote will have synchronous interpretation where you can access from your laptops. So this is our hackfoldr: bit.ly/g0vsummit2014 . This is the same one as yesterday's. By the side folder we've merged in today's agenda as well.
+
+ If you use a computer with VLC player, please use the earphone.
+ The icecast interpretation channel is: http://i.summit.g0v.tw:8554/unconf
+
+ [live feedback] [[audience giggles]]
+
+ Please take your seats, we're starting soon.
+
+ In addition to interpretation we also have live Hackpad transcripts — appearing on the screen as it happens in real time!
+
+ Before we start, we'd like to introduce you to IRC, the preferred tool for g0v to hang out in real time. There's approximately 200 people at any time on IRC, so if you have an idea or something to call for participants, you can find collaborators on IRC really quickly.
+
+ Today we have 5 channels, and you can see what's happening in each room on IRC and relocate accordingly.
+
+ jimmy> Hi, CL asked me to introduce first-timers and IRC-newbies to IRC. It's a really simple interface for chatting. If you type hack.g0v.tw in your browser, you'll see a dialog box on the bottom right corner, and use it like Google talk to start discussions.
+
+ Today a lot of our old-timers in hackathon will start pitching our ideas here, and for example I'll look for pm5 [typing pm5:] to send a message that pm5 will see later on.
+
+ In this mode of discussion, we can ping each other across rooms. Because this is the first-entry tool, if you'd like something more user-friendly, you can register on IRCCloud.com with your email, and after login it will ask you the channel to join. Type freenode g0v.tw channel and you'll see the backlogs as well.
+
+ If you'd like to ping people on IRC but has technical difficulties connecting, please ask people around you, or otherwise just connect to http://hack.gv
+ .tw/.
+
+ [PA: We need extension cords!]
+
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+ *Keynote
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